Removal of circuits

[sprocketflup]

At a job yesterday, a family home and they have had a stud wall taken out in the kitchen. Inside was a solitary socket for the fridge, fed from a single cable straight back to its own breaker on the board.

On the behest of the lady of the house I have taken the whole circuit out - left the breaker in the board obviously.

Do I need to issue any paperwork for removing a circuit? Im thinking no, am I right?

 

[Zeespark]

Correct, though I would replace the breaker with a blanking plate.

Andy

 

[professional]

Why?

 

[Andy™]

you end up with a spare MCB?

 

[Megaohm7]

Can't see nothing wrong in leaving an mcb that has nothing connected to it in the board, as long as it's labelled correctly to say it's a spare.

 

[Evans Electric]

OMG !! Sprocket don't start issuing paper work for taking stuff out now , you'll give the Electric Police ideas . What next ........did a feasability study....issued a risk assessment...... replaced a fluorescent tube .....tested the whole building, issued a PIR..... went home ...notified scam provider...they notified LBC and sent a certificate to the client.........LBC sent an inspector to make sure you didn't contravene any building regs while you were there........ they notified 'elf 'N' Safety who demand to see the safety cert for your steps ......... you didn't use them ,you stood on a chair , ...H&S demand to see safety cert for the chair ...you don't have one ........H&S issue warrant for your arrest ......you are taken away by the Electric Police and never seen again .

 

[Andy™]

now who's giving them ideas?!

 

[sprocketflup]

Yes Ive left the MCB in the board. I reasoned that it could be re-used in the future, and it does a grand job of keeping prying fingers off the busbar.

I also didnt have any blanking plates should I go get some and return to the job to fit them?

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OMG !! Sprocket don't start issuing paper work for taking stuff out now , you'll give the Electric Police ideas . What next ........did a feasability study....issued a risk assessment...... replaced a fluorescent tube .....tested the whole building, issued a PIR..... went home ...notified scam provider...they notified LBC and sent a certificate to the client.........LBC sent an inspector to make sure you didn't contravene any building regs while you were there........ they notified 'elf 'N' Safety who demand to see the safety cert for your steps ......... you didn't use them ,you stood on a chair , ...H&S demand to see safety cert for the chair ...you don't have one ........H&S issue warrant for your arrest ......you are taken away by the Electric Police and never seen again .

Eeek! Hang on, thats whats coming in for 2012 isnt it? lol

 

[Badger]

i reckon that you should test the none existant cable to make sure that cable thats not connected to anything is safe and issue a certificate of that testing of the invisible cable :^O :^O :^O

 

[Evans Electric]

Badger is correct , in fact I have designed some invisible certificates and am offering them for sale at

 

[Badger]

Badger is correct , in fact I have designed some invisible certificates and am offering them for sale at

 

[Evans Electric]

Interest is growing in the new Part R removal of circuits to BS Competent Persons scheme . SpecLoc has just applied for a book of invisible certs and seems to have enclosed an invisible

 

[sprocketflup]

Hmmm. I think I might have detected a smidgeon of a soupcon of the slightest hint of sarcasm in here? Wet Fish

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i reckon that you should test the none existant cable to make sure that cable thats not connected to anything is safe and issue a certificate of that testing of the invisible cable :^O :^O :^O

Dad? Is that you?

 

[Manator]

Strange, I would always issue a cert.

Cant think of any instance where a MWC or EIC could not be issued. I like to think that every installation or removal was done right, suitably isolated and labelled, certificate issued to explain the extent of my works, so in two years time they can not come back to me and claim I left a circuit unsafe or liable for reconnection, or other excuses to claim.

Any MWC or EIC is THE only proof of what you did, its no good saying "well they said it did not matter ", I would fail any AC without a valid MIC or EIC and thats for sure.

 

[kerching]

:coat

 

[Manator]

My above staement may require clarification. Lets say you removed a circuit, issued no certificate, and left a MCB in the DB.

Three weeks later a 5dw comes along and connects your spare leftover MCB to a circuit. WE all know a 5dw isnt going to do any calcs, he is only going to install because thats what is always installed.

Any way, he leaves no certificate, a problem arises, he can not be contacted, the insurance company find that you are, or was, reported to be the last electrician working on the now "damaged " or four letter board.

Doing as you wish works until the point some very nice client desides to take you to the cleaners.

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Cant find any reason to close this! Is there a hiccup in the upgrade?

 

[Mr Smith]

i have no explanation as to the closure of the thread

however

i have re opened it

mr smith

 

[Apache]

Mr Manator has a very valid point about someone else adding something to the breaker!

 

[steptoe]

but how do you stop someone just going and buying a breaker anyway that is the wrong size?

I do BTW agree that the breaker should always be removed, I make my guys go back and remove any unused MCBs they leave in boards,

 

[Manator]

Sometimes especially on a PIR limitations are imposed resricting the full disconnection of a DB, I record all ways showing the CPD even if not used, and stipulate if they are used or not. I could if I wished remove them, but I would fail my own principles, without a permit to work ie full isolation of the DB, I am not going to remove or work on anything live especially with arc faults possible with voltages above 400.