socket locations

[avinalarf]

Evening all

Can't remember who from, but I heard that it was no longer allowed to have SOs or FCUs within a kitchen cupboard - they must be located on a wall. From this I assume that if, say an oven is fitted into a housing unit, a hole must be cut out to access the socket on the wall and the FCU for the associated appliance must be readily accessible.

Can someone please confirm or oppose this.Pray

Thank you.

 

[dan.]

there is no reg thats says you can or cannot put sockets in kitchen cupboards its down to the individual to decide.its in the electricians guide to building regs not to fit them in cupboards but that is just a guide not a reg book.

i put sockets in cupboards if i need to looks really rubbish when you drill a big hole in the back of a nice new kitchen cupboard and makes it very hard to inspect/test them too.

 

[Evans Electric]

New one on me Avin, always thought it better to have the isolator on show but the customers don't want to see them these days.

As far as I know a plug or spur in the next unit is OK .

Taking to my trench again

Deke

 

[avinalarf]

there is no reg thats says you can or cannot put sockets in kitchen cupboards its down to the individual to decide.its in the electricians guide to building regs not to fit them in cupboards but that is just a guide not a reg book.i put sockets in cupboards if i need to looks really rubbish when you drill a big hole in the back of a nice new kitchen cupboard and makes it very hard to inspect/test them too.

Thanks Dan - the kitchen designer that was asking will be relieved to hear that! ?:|

 

[Mr Sworld]

Personally I like switched Fused plates with an unswitched SSO for the appliance connected to them. It means isolation is easy! (And every spark who comes after you will thank you for it)

Anyhow, who's supposed to be the expert here? You or the customer? Sure they see the 'ideal' kitchen in a magazine or a shop window with clean lines and no 'ugly' accessories but these are display kitchens not real life ones that actually have a 'real' electricity supply connected to them!

The only other way is a large 'central' MK Grid-plus system with a double pole switch with a fuse and a neon next to it.

 

[dan.]

isolation is just as easy if the socket is in the cupboard next to the appliance or on a sfs.you just un-plug it!

 

[Mr Sworld]

isolation is just as easy if the socket is in the cupboard next to the appliance or on a sfs.you just un-plug it!

Sure. If you know it's there or it hasn't been broken by all the pots and pans being shoved in there (because it's going to be a 'plastic-fantastic' surface mount not a metal one).

Also how is the cable supplying these 'surface mounted sockets inside a cupboard' protected?

Sorry but it's bad practice in my view.

 

[dan.]

protected by an RCD these days.

so if for example you have a integrated dishwasher in the middle of a run of units where should you put the so??

 

[Apache]

protected by an RCD these days.so if for example you have a integrated dishwasher in the middle of a run of units where should you put the so??

on the wall ABOVE the dishwasher?

 

[dan.]

with a hole in the work top for the flex?

 

[Apache]

with a hole in the work top for the flex?

Chase into wall?

 

[dan.]

lol ill try that one next time.

 

[Mr Sworld]

No. You would put the un-switched single socket, on a separate radial if you really want to do it properly, behind the dishwasher (but above the water feed point) as there will not be a back to the carcass. On the worktop level you would place a switched fused isolator.

 

[Apache]

lol ill try that one next time.

I do see what you mean. Hardwire into connection box then FCU above?

 

[dan.]

integrated dishwashers have no room behind them for the plug to to fit.what happens if the fuse blows in the plugtop?remove plinth,unscrew dishwasher,wind legs down then pull out the appliance to get at the plug?

 

[Apache]

integrated dishwashers have no room behind them for the plug to to fit.what happens if the fuse blows in the plugtop?remove plinth,unscrew dishwasher,wind legs down then pull out the appliance to get at the plug?

Hence my idea to cut off plug and wire into a flex outlet. There's a fuse in FCU.

 

[dan.]

which then voids the manufactures warrenty if its the moulded type.

and you would still have to remove the appliance to inspect the outlet plate.

 

[Apache]

which then voids the manufactures warrenty if its the moulded type.

seriously?

 

[a1]

Yes.

 

[dan.]

yup!!