Someone is in the kakky stuff

[kme]

Call today, from a roofer who ran a team last year doing PV for a nationwide company.

Apparently, their "post-install inspection" has raised an issue:

His spark ( dunno what he is, but he was doing

 

[Sharpend]

No worries there then quick word with the MCS and they'll rewrite the rules to suit.

 

[steptoe]

oh goodness,

someone is going to have a bad day...... :|

but who exactly is going to fix these?

and more to the point, who is going to pay for it?

if he is a fly by night you can bet he wont give a toss, and is he actually a scam member or just using someone elses number?

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No worries there then quick word with the MCS and they'll rewrite the rules to suit.

its not an MCS issue, its a BS7671 issue about unprotected cables.

 

[binky]

why would you even want to de-sleeve the FTE

 

[kme]

The guy was issuing 7671 certs for the work........

But here`s the fun bit:

1. The national company sells the installs to local companies, who do ALL the paperwork (apart from billing).

2. The local company has a sub-contractor agreement with an individual or company (in this case an individual), to actually go and install.

3. The individual employs or subs the electrical side to a self-employed, electrician(ahem) guy, who makes an error.

4. The self employed numpty doesn`t have his own transport.

5. The jobs are scattered far and wide around the country.

6. no. 2 has paid no. 3, who has in turn paid no. 4.

7. No 1 is now going to withhold payment to no. 2., for the job that has been spotted......for a start.

8. No. 2 is going to be royally upset about this.

9. No. 3 is expecting to have to pay for getting it sorted out........................

More tea, vicar?

 

[kerching]

Just as I suspected.....that grey cover on the FTE is merely packaging to be discarded before use; just a serving suggestion I suppose... :coat

 

[steptoe]

The guy was issuing 7671 certs for the work........But here`s the fun bit:

1. The national company sells the installs to local companies, who do ALL the paperwork (apart from billing).

2. The local company has a sub-contractor agreement with an individual or company (in this case an individual), to actually go and install.

3. The individual employs or subs the electrical side to a self-employed, electrician(ahem) guy, who makes an error.

4. The self employed numpty doesn`t have his own transport.

5. The jobs are scattered far and wide around the country.

6. no. 2 has paid no. 3, who has in turn paid no. 4.

7. No 1 is now going to withhold payment to no. 2., for the job that has been spotted......for a start.

8. No. 2 is going to be royally upset about this.

9. No. 3 is expecting to have to pay for getting it sorted out........................

More tea, vicar?

so after 450+ jobs they still havent yet been paid?

surely that cant be right? they must have paid for the majority of them.

BTW, I'll go and re-sleeve them all, anywhere in the country,

cheap rates,

 

[ProDave]

Surely this is only an issue if the offending cable is in the open air, i.e exposed?

If the cable to / from the meter is in trunking, it's not an issue or am I missing something?

Agreed if it's single insulated and exposed then it's wrong. Why on earth did he do it like that? why not leave the jacket on and use it as t&e? Bonkers.

I take it, in the chain of events listed above, No4 is not answering his phone, let alone offering to go and put them all right for free.

Though again every install is individual. So getting one of them wrong does not mean they are all wrong does it? perhaps the rest are enclosed in trunking, and there was some reason why the sample job was not.

 

[steptoe]

Surely this is only an issue if the offending cable is in the open air, i.e exposed?If the cable to / from the meter is in trunking, it's not an issue or am I missing something?

Agreed if it's single insulated and exposed then it's wrong. Why on earth did he do it like that? why not leave the jacket on and use it as t&e? Bonkers.

I take it, in the chain of events listed above, No4 is not answering his phone, let alone offering to go and put them all right for free.

Though again every install is individual. So getting one of them wrong does not mean they are all wrong does it? perhaps the rest are enclosed in trunking, and there was some reason why the sample job was not.

thats similar to how I do mine Dave, bit of 2x2 trunking and stripped out cable, CU,METER and ISOLATOR mounted on top of the trunking.

 

[Sharpend]

oh goodness,someone is going to have a bad day...... :|

but who exactly is going to fix these?

and more to the point, who is going to pay for it?

if he is a fly by night you can bet he wont give a toss, and is he actually a scam member or just using someone elses number?

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its not an MCS issue, its a BS7671 issue about unprotected cables.

I quite agree steps I was thinking more for the signing of and registration of the job afterall the regs seem to be adhered too as felt these days.

 

[m4tty]

thats similar to how I do mine Dave, bit of 2x2 trunking and stripped out cable, CU,METER and ISOLATOR mounted on top of the trunking.

A picture would be 1000 words mate. You got any photos?

 

[steptoe]

Im sure there are some in the solar PV bit somewhere,

EDIT here is one I done a while back, its in this section

 

[Jono Pashley]

Were abit rougher than you it seems steps, we drill 4 holes in the top of the AC isolator and stick the meter tight to the top.

 

[kme]

Thats how I do `em - these other clowns did all theirs this "other" way :slap

BTW, they`re not in trunking - he put sleeving over them in the misguided belief that they were then double insulated :ROTFL

Albert: They`ve paid for lots of `em - only now they`re getting around to the post-install inspections, and starting with the newer ones first

S`ok - see the new post r.e. the same team`s NEXT problem :slap