submit a part p after the job

[ktguk]

I want to (need to/have to) register with scam scheme. I need two jobs already submitted for the inspector to see (I.e. the elecsa info says he will check that everything that needs to be notified has been). I been told your meant to do it 48hrs before but the job starts but I have two perfect jobs for the day but they aren

 

[ADS]

Naughty, naughty. ; \

Anyway, apart from that - is there a reason why you have chosen Elecsa?

If it's them you want to go with, then you need one of their members to come on and advise you.

Napit only require one (major) job - and it can be in your own home - simplifies the whole process.

I did a CU swap in my house and that was deemed good enough.......with no mention as to whether it had been notified beforehand, or not.

I'm not sure on the NICEIC policy on this, but I haven't read any posts on here where someone has said they were asked if their 'assessment job' had been notified.

At the end of the day it's the home-owners responsibillity to notify any work, so I don't see how they can expect the 'electrician' to provide proof that the job has been notified.

For example, if you did a job for a customer and used that job for your assessment, what proof are you going to offer the assessor that the job was notified?

I'm sure you'll get the advice you need shortly.

 

[ktguk]

Elecsa was just an example really ecs/niceic/napit would be fine. I may go down the Napit route then. Hard to explain the customers that you arent registered but are fully qualified. Was you CU at your house notified and how would they check

 

[ianmacd]

You should have notifed LABC before starting any notifable work unless its a fix in distress.

Your only option now is to talk to LABC about a regularisation cert.

 

[ADS]

Elecsa was just an example really ecs/niceic/napit would be fine. I may go down the Napit route then. Hard to explain the customers that you arent registered but are fully qualified. Was you CU at your house notified and how would they check

The CU wasn't notified, and they didn't ask - I did it with the intention of using it for assessment.

To be fair, it's part of ongoing work at my house ( I'm in the middle of extending my kitchen - which I haven't first-fixed yet), so when it's all completed, I'll submit the job as a whole, including the CU.

To be honest, Napit will accept a new 'Ring Final' or two new 'radials' as assessment jobs - and they aren't going to be bothered if the work that you show them is part of a larger project.

Their main concern isn't so much what job you show them - it's more to do with your qualifications and your 'demonstration' of competence on the day.

 

[ianmacd]

The problem with that is you actually broke the law by ignoring the building regs. They clearly state that a planned change can only be started without prior notification by someone registered with a Part P Competent persons scheme. It does not say it can be started if you are using it for assessment for reistration with a Part P Competent persons scheme.

 

[ktguk]

The problem with that is you actually broke the law by ignoring the building regs. They clearly state that a planned change can only be started without prior notification by someone registered with a Part P Competent persons scheme. It does not say it can be started if you are using it for assessment for reistration with a Part P Competent persons scheme.

What jobs did you use for your assessment with elecsa? Just want a general idea of what

 

[Theorysparky]

My job was a garage first time wire and the utility on the back of it... ...

he was more than happy........he didnt want to see just an extra socket

so your sub to garage would be perfect,, it will give him plenty of opportunities to ask you questions and to get a feel for your understanding of the regs.

have done a 2nd fix with cu change....happy he was

my next one in a few weeks is a board change, extra sockets, 2 way lighting cct

 

[gordy71]

I had my heart set on joining niceic but they insisted that i got my jobs (that were already completed) notified. But the labc insist that u apply for an application before work starts. They also charge

 

[ktguk]

My job was a garage first time wire and the utility on the back of it... ...he was more than happy........he didnt want to see just an extra socket

so your sub to garage would be perfect,, it will give him plenty of opportunities to ask you questions and to get a feel for your understanding of the regs.

have done a 2nd fix with cu change....happy he was

my next one in a few weeks is a board change, extra sockets, 2 way lighting cct

did they question if you had sent job to LABC

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Yes, it is illegal to not notify jobs but how are you supposed to start a business when you make a loss on every job?!.

got it in one!

 

[skipy]

Am going with Napit I think. My local council wanted

 

[Andy™]

i used a re-wire for first assessment. it was notified after i was registered (wasnt fully complete at time of assessment)

nothing was mention about it (not) being notified to LABC

 

[m4tty]

I changed the board at my olds house and they werent bothered that it wasent notified. I spoke to Elecsa beforehand and they said notify once you pass. Which I did. Ring them and clear it with them first. Also only 1 Major with Elecsa I believe.

 

[alchemist]

I did some notifiable works before registering with Elesca. When I called the LABC and asked, they said just wait till I get my membership and notify through that.

Phone up the LABC and ask if you can go ahead on the basis of self certifying later. If they say no, you are taking a risk if you do the work without notfiing before you start. If you do the workand don't get in with a scam, then you need to call LABC back again for them to do some paperwork.

Elesca currently ask for one major and one minor, although if the major works is elaborate enough they won't have the time or the inclination to worry about a minor.

 

[Manator]

Part of being assessed as competant for Domestic Installer status is your ability to do ALL things correctly, this includes notification and paperwork, and your knowledge of the importance to notify works. Many LABC's will if asked waive fees if you are doing the works for an assessment, but you must tell them, before you carry out any works. A good idea is to visit your LABC and provide copies of your certificates, meet the guys who you will be working with on any building that requires building consent. All scheme providers will allow you to notify after your assessment, but you must have gone through the process beforehand. I never had this problem, simply because my LABC had a list of approved electricians and copies of all my certificates and PI insurance and PL insurance, they knew me. My advise to any DI is to get to know your local enforcement officers, it does help, and if you make the first move they will remember you.

 

[steptoe]

what happens if you fail the assessement?

your jobs dont get notified.!

naughty naughty.

 

[Manator]

what happens if you fail the assessement?your jobs dont get notified.!

naughty naughty.

If this should happen LABC should be informed, and explain any actions you are planning to rectify this, it may mean there is a deley to re book another half day assessment, if the works failed because of an minor fault, evidence that this has been rectified can be submitted without any further on site assessment. If anyone is going to the trouble to be registered, then doing the right thing is one step closer.

 

[Megaohm7]

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[ADS]

The problem with that is you actually broke the law by ignoring the building regs. They clearly state that a planned change can only be started without prior notification by someone registered with a Part P Competent persons scheme. It does not say it can be started if you are using it for assessment for reistration with a Part P Competent persons scheme.

I assume you were talking to me, Ian, and not the OP/

Actually, I didn't break the law - for two reasons.

Firstly, the house is in my partners name, so it would be her responsibility to notify any work to LABC - not mine, the lowly electrician.

Secondly, like Andy's situation, it is a work in progress - the whole job, kitchen extension & CU, will be signed off via Napit when all the work is complete - I have, by Napit's own rules, 30 days from completion of work to notify the job to them.

 

[green-hornet]

What I find hard to beleive is the fact that Elesca will allow one (small cu change) as an insight to a DI's competance.

Its a small wonder that most local authorities still insist on all contractors to be NICEIC, if this is the case.