Testing someone else's electrical work

[Manator]

I am a registered NIC approved contractor, mostly comercial/industrial stuff but on the odd occasion domestic (only one re-wire in the last 3 years).someone has asked me for a part p cert for work carried out on his house, (extension and cu change), the spark who did the work gave him a cert when the work was done only to tell him later not to send it to building control as he was no longer registered for whatever reason. dont want to issue a cert for other sparks work but may be prepared to do a PIR, will this be acceptable to building control under the circumstances? Advice appreciated.

LABC's will not allow a PIR as a replacement for an EIC. The compliance certificate they issue through a governing body is only issued if full compliance has been signed by the installer.

The property owners are ultimately responsible to ensure that all proper notifications are made and whilst rare the LABC can make them rip it all out and start again with proper planning/notification.

 

[professional]

Interestingly - the fact that LABC have signed off a job with regards building regulations DOES NOT actually mean that it complies with said regulations - merely that they are prepared to sign it off - which is why you can't sue LABC for getting it wrong.

LABC signature are effectively worthless ........ yet we can be held to account for getting our bit wrong ........

Who are the fools then?

 

[green-hornet]

Interestingly - the fact that LABC have signed off a job with regards building regulations DOES NOT actually mean that it complies with said regulations - merely that they are prepared to sign it off - which is why you can't sue LABC for getting it wrong.LABC signature are effectively worthless ........ yet we can be held to account for getting our bit wrong ........

Who are the fools then?

You are correct, we the electricians sighning off the works are solely responsible.

By signing any contract you take full responsibility and can not blame any one else.

 

[Tooold]

When I rang my local bc to see if they would accept a green eic or pir and I quote" dont care if its on loo paper as long as we get a cert" That was several years ago but they seem to readily accept greens for all things according to a couple of other sparks.

You have to be happy with what you are signing, when doing a cu change yourself and issuing an eic do you really know whats under the floors etc.

 

[sparkytim]

When changeing a Consumer Unit you would issue an EIC for that work and that work only. Tests done at the time verify the work you have done complies with BS 7671 and the circuits re-connected are no less save then there condition before you started, probably safer due to 17th Edition RCD requirements, and other remedials carried out.

It is a myth that an EIC must cover the entire installation.

 

[S60TEM]

IIRC NAPIT allow 3rd party EIC aslong as you do a 100% (or as close to as possible) inspection of the installation and have both public liability insurance AND Professional Indemnity insurance too.

 

[spinlondon]

Is that 3rd party or 3 part?

 

[S60TEM]

Is that 3rd party or 3 part?

http://www.napit.org.uk/downloads/CP_Electrical_Scheme.pdf

Under the Insurance section it quotes: "Insurance

 

[spinlondon]

Where does it say that the 3rd party inspection work relates to issuing EICs?

Could it not just be in relation to conducting PIRs?

 

[S60TEM]

It doesn't Clarify not being able to do 3rd party EIC's.

Personally I wouldn't do a 3rd party EIC for anyone I hadn't worked with previously but can't see the problem with doing one for a colleague that you trust his work is up to standard.

 

[Andy™]

IIRC NAPIT allow 3rd party EIC aslong as you do a 100% (or as close to as possible) inspection of the installation and have both public liability insurance AND Professional Indemnity insurance too.

7671 allows anyone to sign any part of EIC, so nothing to stop you filling in I&T only. all scam providers 'allow' this (since they cannot stop you as your still working to 7671). but none (including napit) allow you to notify in this case. Napit even clearly state all of this on their FAQ (others might, but ive never looked)

Can I carry out third party electrical testing & inspecting?NAPIT membership includes third party inspection and testing as long as the member is fully qualified and has the relevant experience to carry out this service and is present at first & second fix. When completing the Electrical Installation Certificate, in the case of a 3-part certificate only the 'inspection and testing' portion should be completed, if using the NAPIT Electrical Certificate you should indicate in the 'limitations' section that the certificate does not cover design or construction. In each case the details of the installer should be included on the certificate.

Please note that this approach should not be used to notify work under Part P as this is not allowed. See the question & answer below. Members carrying out third party inspecting and testing must also have

 

[professional]

It doesn't Clarify not being able to do 3rd party EIC's. Personally I wouldn't do a 3rd party EIC for anyone I hadn't worked with previously but can't see the problem with doing one for a colleague that you trust his work is up to standard.

Total rubbish - NAPIT DO NOT allow you to produce and EIC for someone elses work.

The third party inspect and test is for PIR's ONLY.

 

[Andy™]

Total rubbish - NAPIT DO NOT allow you to produce and EIC for someone elses work.The third party inspect and test is for PIR's ONLY.

read my post above.

 

[Andy™]

I think prof was directing his comments at S60TEM

he is still wrong. Napit's view on this is clearly stated on their site and in my earlier post

 

[Andy™]

Can you point us to their FAQ ?

napit FAQ

 

[SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH]

The NICEIC's view (as i understand it) is, you could sign the test & inspect section only of a 3 part installation cert but can not use the NICEIC logo on the paperwork. This is because it may misrepresented that the entire job was carried out by a NICEIC contractor.

I read somewhere recently, maybe professional electrician? that a government department is looking into making it acceptable for a PIR to be used for Part P work, due to the amount of them received, Bloody cop-out !

 

[Bacon]

Daft question but if on site and a number of sparks from differents firms are working on say one or two house's and it has to notified who would it come down to test and notify?

 

[Andy™]

probably the one who's job it is