vphase

[M107]

Anybody installing these yet?

Had some info through the post inviting me to attend a free installation seminar.

It's free so why not

http://www.vphase.com/

 

[revjames]

did this quite recently and I think the consensus was it was the equivalent of snake oil........

 

[Andy™]

i think the whole thing is a big con

if using 220v is such an energy saver, then surely the government should be making DNO reduce voltage, rather than then install something in every house to do so.

 

[PC Electrics]

I can't see installation being particularly hard. What I'd like to know more about though is the lab testing and results thereof to back up the energy saving claims. I have a couple of clients who are very interested, but are skeptical and need more "proof" it works.

 

[PC Electrics]

did this quite recently and I think the consensus was it was the equivalent of snake oil........

I don't believe we reached any "consensus" as such. I think there is agreement though that there is a lack of information regarding the product (and testing in particular) that prevents us moving from a skeptical position. All we have at the moment is the marketing hype, which we distrust because, well, we should (in principle we should distrust all marketing, just as we should politicians).

 

[PC Electrics]

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[ian932]

Out of interest, how would you envisage the DNOs achieving this?

With great difficulty, I get told regularly by the e-on guys the step down is on the lowest tapping and I'm getting things like 246v at the incomer on jobs round here. It

 

[bengie]

i'm 15-20 miles from my nearest power station and regularly find voltages of 250v and over.

 

[ianmacd]

So I can see the benefit of this for something like a phone charger/computer/tv/hifi etc but not for things like kettles/fridges/cookers as all that will happen is you will increase the time taken to (for example) boil the kettle and use about the same ammount of power than if it was at a higher voltage.

I did notice they can step the voltage down to other voltages too including 230 so maybe DNO's could fit these (or bigger versions) to make the supplys 230V .

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

From this thread here not so long back ....

http://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8477&highlight=vphase

and their tech info we found; one unit @

 

[ianmacd]

From this thread here not so long back ....http://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8477&highlight=vphase

and their tech info we found; one unit @

 

[M107]

Cheers chaps.

I did wonder why they hail it as a big money saver for the same reasons you have pointed out specs.

Anyway binned it as an idea, the closest training centre is in Bristol apparently, sod going all that way for 2 hours monkey see monkey do training.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Thinking about this Vphase thingy....

I guess it may have some better applications in a commercial or educational situation such as..

Office / Classroom / Callcentre.......

large banks of low power PC's, Printers, Telecoms equipment etc..

running all day everyday! maybe multiple offices / Classrooms as well.

But still cant see it being the Golden ticket for the average Domestic job!

:|

 

[ianmacd]

Thinking about this Vphase thingy....I guess it may have some better applications in a commercial or educational situation such as..

Office / Classroom / Callcentre.......

large banks of low power PC's, Printers, Telecoms equipment etc..

running all day everyday! maybe multiple offices / Classrooms as well.

But still cant see it being the Golden ticket for the average Domestic job!

:|

If it was more 'powerful' then you could put maybe the lighting and socket rings/radials on it. In fact, what they should do is cram this into a din module and then you can put all the appropriate mcb's/RCBO's next to it (like we now do with RCCD's in split load boards).

 

[Andy™]

If it was more 'powerful' then you could put maybe the lighting and socket rings/radials on it. In fact, what they should do is cram this into a din module and then you can put all the appropriate mcb's/RCBO's next to it (like we now do with RCCD's in split load boards).

or a dual tarrif board?

 

[ian932]

Is it just me or is this totally messing with the whole volt drop % we design to? we use Uo @ 230v so will this not mean shorter circuits and would it be out of the question for lighting circuits?

Also what about disconnection times?

I can't understand why PE has given this thing 2 months of column inches when there is no data to support it and it

 

[Badger]

looks like one massive con if you ask me :good night:

 

[Apache]

looks like one massive con if you ask me :good night:

:good night: Badge

 

[revjames]

Like I said, its up there with snake oil......

 

[SteveH37]

easier way, run a stupidly long length of cable from your supply cut out all around your garden a few times until you have sufficient volt drop to bring the supply to 220V. Sorted

I'm not being serious btw. just in case.