What would you do?

[Robin Spark]

Do you come under South Staffs Bacon? I have just found the link below which says that - South Staffs Council charge

 

[M107]

Dont/didnt elecsa or somebody do a scheme called "just 8" or something like that. Designed for those in the trade that do the odd homer here and there, meaning they can then notify upto 8 jobs a year.

As for the cu change, give them the options.

Having said that I wouldnt cert somebody elses work for Part Peee & just this week have turned down just such an offer (the one where the builder is doing the sparking that I posted about )... but your bound to find somebody that will do it with no questions asked....

 

[Robin Spark]

Dont/didnt elecsa or somebody do a scheme called "just 8" or something like that. Designed for those in the trade that do the odd homer here and there, meaning they can then notify upto 8 jobs a year.

Napit do the just 8 scheme or used to. However it cant be under a business name and the work must only be for friends/family and not for business purposes.

 

[tom1]

how much would you charge and how long would it take you to do it?

 

[Sidewinder]

Robin,

That's the one, when I was doing only industrial I was going to sign up I had a deal through the IIE too (now part of the IET).

It was quite cheap IIRC you still needed instruments and to provide regs certs, but that may be worth a pop?

 

[NozSpark]

They used to, but it cost nearly much as being in the scheme proper so I think they dropped it

 

[Sidewinder]

Ahh, perhaps we had a good deal through the institute then.

Mind IIRC the requirements were nearly as onerous as full scheme membership.

 

[Robin Spark]

http://www.napit.org.uk/pdf/NAPIT_Renewal%20Form.pdf

 

[sellers]

If it was me in your situation, I'd do it and I would deffinatley issue a cert! Do the job, do it properly, and probably 10times better than most registered sparks and there can be little comeback. You can change a 3 phase board, test and cert no problems but because this is in a house it becomes a big problem.

Yes it is wrong against us guys paying the rates doing it the right way but we do this for a living and for a business we have to do it the right way! The system is wrong in that your a qualified electrician not being able to do your job due to red tape.

How many times do we take on 'someone elses trade' fixing your car, a bit of plumbing or joinery and noone jumps on your back, but try and do your own trade in a different environment and it becomes a massive issue.

 

[ProDave]

This is indeed an interesting situation.

It's one thing to be an industrial spark in the south, unable to legally do a CU change without paying LABC vast sums to notify it.

So spare a thought for guys like me. This side of the border, we don't have part P. So I have no need to be partly peed or a member of a scam. I can and do legally change CU's up here frequently.

So what do I do when a relative who is still darn sarf wants a CU changed? I strongly resent the paperwork involved for me to do the same job darn sarf as I legally do for a living up here.

In my case I agonised for a while, then just did the job. I'm not advising that's what you should do, but in my case I figured the only time there just might conceivably be a problem would be when she sold the house. In this particular case, I know the house is very run down, so anyone buying it would most likely buy it for a full renovation, so I very much doubt they would be bothered by no part P certificate for the CU. In any case, from what I gather it will be a very long time before the house is ever likely to be sold anyway.

And just in case anyone criticises me, I don't do paid work south of the border, this was a one off for a relative.

In the end you have to make up your own mind, and discuss the options and possible consequences with the house owner (who ultimately will have the "problem" in the future)

 

[Evans Electric]

On the same subject I raise the following point .

How come a non registered spark has to pay LBC to comply with the stupid regs, why can't he go to a registered sparky , 'cos thats who the LBC will send round after taking their cut of the fee. B,ham charge

 

[NozSpark]

The reason why they charge so much though is because they don't want the bother of Part P,, and anyone who is serious about being an electrician, doing domestics should really look at being registered as this should make them cheaper than going the LABC route!

As for the idea of using a registered guy to "sign off" the part p aspect instead of the LABC,,,, maybe that is something that should be looked at by the ODPM and scheme providers? Most of us understand that there are lots of things wrong with part p and the way it was implemented

And just because someone is an electrician does not make them aware of all the regulations that apply to dwellings... I have seen some really bad jobs carried out by industrial electricians I houses

 

[steptoe]

mmm, interesting point by prodave tho?

is it like gas where you can do whatever you want if there is no financial gain????????

 

[Evans Electric]

mmm, interesting point by prodave tho?is it like gas where you can do whatever you want if there is no financial gain????????

That can't be right , can it ? What if you carbon monoxied someone , you still be held responsible , surely ?

 

[steptoe]

unless it has changed Deke,

but unbelievable ,

yes.

 

[Evans Electric]

The reason why they charge so much though is because they don't want the bother of Part P,, and anyone who is serious about being an electrician, doing domestics should really look at being registered as this should make them cheaper than going the LABC route!As for the idea of using a registered guy to "sign off" the part p aspect instead of the LABC,,,, maybe that is something that should be looked at by the ODPM and scheme providers? Most of us understand that there are lots of things wrong with part p and the way it was implemented

And just because someone is an electrician does not make them aware of all the regulations that apply to dwellings... I have seen some really bad jobs carried out by industrial electricians I houses

A good point Noz , I've seen them too , but also seen first class jobs by guys who know what they're doing but not registered . Presumably you just refuse to pass off any dodgey work in the same way as the NIC man that the LBC send round.

 

[ProDave]

mmm, interesting point by prodave tho?is it like gas where you can do whatever you want if there is no financial gain????????

You can't do "whatever you want" with gas for DIY. It still has to comply with regs, and you must still be competent to do it. It's just that if you are doing it say on your own house, then you don't need to be Gas Safe registered.

I did the gas work in my present and my last house, and in both cases building control had no problems signing the building work off as complete. But I must stress you must be competent to do it, and must still do it correctly.

 

[steptoe]

You can't do "whatever you want" with gas for DIY. It still has to comply with regs, and you must still be competent to do it. It's just that if you are doing it say on your own house, then you don't need to be Gas Safe registered.I did the gas work in my present and my last house, and in both cases building control had no problems signing the building work off as complete. But I must stress you must be competent to do it, and must still do it correctly.

sorry Dave, yes that is what I meant,

as usual I dont explain stuff very good in writing, :Blushing