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Hi i have 6 x double mains sockets powering Audio Visual Equipment. Sound Desk, Amps, Laptops etc. I normally just flick the power switch on each socket to turn the equipment off then same in the morning just switch each socket on without turning individually pieces of equipment on and off.
 
I asked the electrician if you could put one switch in to turn all sockets off, and he recommended a cooker switch which he installed. 
 
when I turned the cooker switch off my equipment went bang blowing my sound desk and laptop. 
 
(is this possible that the cooker switch caused this a spike of some sort?) 
 
regards
 
berry
 
When you say bang, did it actually go bang as in there was a loud bang/explosion as you turned the switch off?

 
I would perhaps get a different electrician around to check how he wired the switch so see if he has dome something stupid.

 
I think this is a similar problem with double pole switching as in this thread http://talk.electricianforum.co.uk/topic/29057-odd-fault-tripping-rcd/
But instead of an RCD read "sensitive electronic equipment"
When I posted on that thread I had found by googling a post on the IET website which quoted from the BEAMA RCD handbook;

"
9.3 Double-Pole Switching
Double-pole switching within the fixed wiring is known to produce a strange phenomenon whereby switching OFF a double-pole switch supplied through an RCD can cause the RCD to trip. Single-pole switching does not produce this effect, and it is known that changing over from double-pole to single-pole switching can overcome the problem, where such
replacement is permissible and safe. The phenomenon is explained by the fact that while capacitance between neutral and earth will exist in all installations, the earth leakage through this capacitance will be negligible due to the low (almost zero) potential between neutral and earth. When the neutral pole of a double-pole switch is opened, the voltage across this capacitance will suddenly increase, with a subsequent increase in neutral-to-earth capacitive earth leakage currents. This increase will be at a maximum if the neutral opens first and will be aggravated by arcing at both switch contacts which will cause high frequency voltage spikes to cause even higher
neutral-to-earth leakage currents.The effect may be aggravated further by the slow-break feature of the switch often found in domestic a.c. switchgear. Closing a double-pole switch may also trip an RCD (as may closing a single-pole switch), but in this case any tripping is unlikely to be caused by neutral-to-earth capacitance since the fast-make characteristic of the switch reduces both arcing and the time that any significant voltage might exist between the load-side neutral and earth. Any circuit, which
incorporates only single-pole switching, will never experience this type of problem since (under normal operating conditions) the neutral-to-earth voltage is so low that the neutral- to-earth capacitive earth leakage is negligible.

The problem appears to occur most frequently in installations where a separate consumer unit and RCD are installed. The opening of the consumer unit switch will allow a higher voltage (possibly 230V) to appear suddenly across the neutral-to-earth capacitance of the whole installation. This can result in sufficient earth fault current to trip the RCD.  "

So it seems that if the cooker switch was just used as a single pole switch, with the neutrals permanently connected, it would have been fine. The individual switches on the socket outlets are single pole.

Do you know if the circuit is a radial or a ring circuit? Just interested to know if the ring was joined at the cooker switch to make a figure-of-eight circuit.

 
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What?

The RCD isn't tripping. Who said the sockets were SP switching?

 
What?

The RCD isn't tripping. Who said the sockets were SP switching?
Sorry Lurch, I should have said I assume they were single pole. Makes little difference to the thrust of the suggestion though. Individually switching off, makes any imbalance an incremental thing, as opposed to switching all off at the same time.

As I said, for RCD read "sensitive electronic equipment", Introducing a voltage on the neutral can fry electronics, which is why we combine L&N when insulation testing.

 
Another thought, is it such a good idea to be switching electronic equipment on/off from the power source? Surely it is better to switch each item off individually from the item's own on/off switch, so that they shut down as designed, with fan over-runs etc.

Not saying you are lazy of course :)

 
(is this possible that the cooker switch caused this a spike of some sort?) 
 

Personally I would have thought the answer to that was no.  All appliances designed to be plugged into 13A sockets should be able to tolerate the normal fluctuations of voltage to be expected and the possibility of power being removed whilst powered up.  It would be quite normal to expect that a circuit supplied by 13A socket could be automatically disconnected by a double pole RCD protecting that circuit in the event of a fault. And that the supply voltage could fluctuate between the min and max values and possibly have occasional spikes due to external influences. Most modern electronic devices have inbuilt smoothing and regulating circuits to reduce problems with voltage variations. I would think more information is needed about exactly what has failed (with this bang) before any firm conclusions can be reached. Switching banks of equipment or sockets off or on is not an unusual requirement.

Doc H.  

 
that's great but what would you use?

I'm not so sure what to use.?

I have an old ceramic pull cord switch in the van which has a really nice mechanism which would be about a billion times better than the plastic chinese nonsense we install these days.

 
Probably contactor and switch arrangement.

 
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Can be done on a ring depending on a couple of other factors as well.

 
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