Amd3 Cable Supports

[Andy™]

since Amd3 wants fire resistant supports etc, and after a quick google, there isnt a great deal of option for trunking, so ive been making and testing my own

for trunking, all round band fits nicely. probably cheaper than the manufactured clips, not that many were available. once done, no visible sign of them from the outside

for plastic conduit, i used galv saddles.

so for the testing. each has 3x 1.5 T&E in them







into the fire...



and the results are in. works perfectly,





now just to find some metallic cable clips

 

[ProDave]

Clipped direct t&e is the problem one.

What we need is someone to start re making the old clips, you know the flat bits of metal that you nailed to the wall, then wrapped it around the cable.

anyone know if they are still, or will become available again?

 

[Andy™]

they may well be making a comeback. ive never seen them available anywhere though

 

[kerching]

Buckle clips are still available

I think they are marketed by SAREN

Their tag line is ....."remember how good these used to be"

Over the years, back in the day, i must have fitted 10,000s of these

Yep

http://saren.co.uk/index.html

 

[ProDave]

That's the ones http://www.saren.co.uk/cabletiesclips.htm

With plastic clips now being no good, one would hope these become stocked again at all wholesalers?

 

[Andy™]

They did have a name you know (buckle)!

Balls Kerch beat me to it FFS ! 

im not an old git, how am i supposed to know the name of them!?

 

[Sidewinder]

Don't forget there is always P clips

 

[ProDave]

What's needed is an easy to install fireproof cable clip.

Yes metal P clips will do, but more expensive, harder to install and lets be honest they look shite. fine for securing some cables out of site above a ceiling, but pants for clipped direct t&e

It should not be down ti individual sparkies to devise some clever and cunning way to support cables in a fireproof manner. Such solutions should be main stream products readily available from all wholesalers, and dare I say it the likes of B&Q as well.

If the humble metal buckle clip is the answer then they ought to make a come back PDQ. They should be as cheap as chips and easy to install, arguably even easier than the humble plastic cable clip?

Apart from discussions like this, I don't see much from the wholesalers telling us how we are to meet the new rules.

 

[kerching]

I like P Clips

And Galv Conduit

And Tray

I like Rachel Riley....but i do not think present wife would let me use RR in a domestic situation.........

 

[Evans Electric]

Time to buy shares in Buckle Clip Ltd  methinks.

I guess SWAs  will have to go back to those aluminium cleats then.

 

[ProDave]

Time to buy shares in Buckle Clip Ltd  methinks.

I guess SWAs  will have to go back to those aluminium cleats then.

Or P clips which won't look too bad on SWA.

DON'T buy shares in plastic cable clip companies.

 

[Lurch]

No-one uses the correct fixings on fire alarm cabling so why all the bother about complying with Amd3 for arguably a lesser issue?

 

[ProDave]

Because some of us like to do it right?

Providing the products become available to do it properly, then it's not difficult.

 

[Sidewinder]

No-one uses the correct fixings on fire alarm cabling so why all the bother about complying with Amd3 for arguably a lesser issue?

Well, if  they are not using the correct fixings on fire alarm cabling then they are committing a criminal offence.

So, if, they think that they can getaway with breaking Statute Laws, good luck to them they will need it, and no amount of insurance will help.

 

[Lurch]

Because some of us like to do it right?

I once got thrown of a job because I was using too many P clips and taking too long installing the fire alarm. I have not in all of my 20 odd years in the trade seen a fire alarm installed by anyone else that I would say was corectly installed.

Providing the products become available to do it properly, then it's not difficult.

Exactly, which is why I can't see this being adhered to as the correct parts have been available for fire alarms for 20 odd years now and still no-one use them. I saw someone use some steel cable ties once, to tie a pipe tube to the roof rack.

 

[OnOff]

JCS do nice rubber lined stainless steel p clips.

http://www.jcshi-torque.co.uk/product_p-clips-M6.asp

 

[kerching]

No-one uses the correct fixings on fire alarm cabling so why all the bother about complying with Amd3 for arguably a lesser issue?

I do

Just.....having about 2000 stainless steel,ty Raps in the shed as we speak

 

[Evans Electric]

We used to do loads of Fire Alarms  back in the Fred Flintstone Electrical days until it became a "Specialist Installer " trade  but always used metalic clips  on pyro .

 

[Andy™]

 Specialist installer = w**kers -

pot, kettle?

 

[Andy™]

actually, i wouldnt mind having a go at some of the work you do, but your too far away and well past scotch corner