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Yes you have to admire Nicola as a debater, in the same way I say you had to admire Maggie Thatcher, even if you didn't agree with her policies.
The conclusion about labour was interesting. they are now too far to the left for England to elect them, but not far enough to the left for Scotland.
It's not Nicola that you will be hearing from now, it's Alex Salmond who is now an MP. Nicola is an MSP and leader of the SNP, but she won't be taking a place at Westminster. Personally I can't stand the vile that comes out of Alex's mouth. It will however be interesting to see how he fairs in the rather rowdy house of common's.
Re Scotland - its obvious the next step is a federal "land", so
scrap the barnett formula
fiscal independence for Scotland
Then they will go bust unless the SNP introduce savage cuts as they have to live within their means.....
I'm sorry Scotland but as far as I can tell, you don't have the revenues to make ends meet, and haven't had for decades.
If England could spend about £1400 more per head, we could have free tuition, free perscriptions, free health care.
You better wake up and smell the coffee before its too late, as the SNP won't be telling you the truth..... oh and if Nicola wants to spend more, then she should increase the Scottish income taxes and raise the monies from within the land she is responsible for and not from the English.
scrap the barnett formula
fiscal independence for Scotland
Then they will go bust unless the SNP introduce savage cuts as they have to live within their means.....
I'm sorry Scotland but as far as I can tell, you don't have the revenues to make ends meet, and haven't had for decades.
If England could spend about £1400 more per head, we could have free tuition, free perscriptions, free health care.
You better wake up and smell the coffee before its too late, as the SNP won't be telling you the truth..... oh and if Nicola wants to spend more, then she should increase the Scottish income taxes and raise the monies from within the land she is responsible for and not from the English.
It is confusing, 1 minute they narrowly avoid independence, next minute they all vote SNP. Think this is more a sign of dissention with Westminster than any particular desire to go independent, and lets be honest about it, no many English people like Westminster either. It rarely truly represents the views of the country and never will whilst we have a 2 horse race. Bet Labour are kicking themselves now for not supporting the AV bill....
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This is what puzzles me about the SNP. You would think they would realise the present arrangement is to Scotland's benefit, and just shut up and get on with it like Wales and NI do, who both have higher spending per head then England.
But no, the SNP are so big headed they want to cut off their nose to spite their face. The rhetoric during the independence debate was along the lines of "don't you dare tell us we can't manage on our own"
Of course by keep harping on about it just brings it to everybody's attention and the result sooner or later will be a scrapping of the Barnet formula and then Scotland will actually have to face up to the reality.
I think the reason the SNP are so popular this time is they keep banging on about ending austerity and making a "fairer society" i.e a socialist utopia. Scotland hates the tories, they still have not forgiven Maggie for the poll tax and probably never will. One political commentator summed it up well by saying something along the lines of "you would think austerity was something that was dreamed up out of spite and to punish you, and could be scrapped immediately without any consequences" Either that's what they really think, or they have no understanding of the situation.
In many ways I liken the SNP to Syreza (sp?) in greece who promissed an end to their problems but now realise there is no way to deliver that promise.
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Thein 2017 when (if?) we get that promised EU referendum, If the vote is out, then that's one of the "trigger events" that will have the SNP demanding another independence referendum so they can re join.
That would solve the problem of them trying to use the pound if they where independent as joining the EU one of the criteria is they join the Euro
reminds me of the break up of the old commonwealth, many countries, it was pointed out, were better off under the UK, to which the response is that they would rather be poor and independent and firk the UK
Talking of the Poll Tax ...actually The Comunity Charge ..it always appeared to me that the protesters were made up , mainly, of people who used the services provided by the local councils but had never previously paid for that priviledge.
They were subsidised by other residents who owned or rented a property .
So , mainly students & youngsters living at home with parents were objecting .
As an example :-
My mate , with three boys at home , all working , ( and still there ) was an objector on the basis that more money was leaving their house than before .
The amount he & his wife paid between them was the same as before ....but the 3 lads became local tax payers.
Now to me , their streets were lit , swept , their trash was taken away ,schools provided, their roads were repaired , parks , libraries etc were looked after and it never cost them a bean ........and it still doesn't 25 years later .
In comparison I still pay Poll Tax @ £120.00 /Month compared to thousands of working people who live with their parents who pay sod all towards the dwindling services provided by this city .
Are your kids starting at the local school this year ? Don't worry , Deke will pay for their education , the maintenabce of the school & all the teacher salaries !!!!! Got working teenagers at home ?? Not to worry Deke will provide the new wheeliebins for their rubbish . :C
They were subsidised by other residents who owned or rented a property .
So , mainly students & youngsters living at home with parents were objecting .
As an example :-
My mate , with three boys at home , all working , ( and still there ) was an objector on the basis that more money was leaving their house than before .
The amount he & his wife paid between them was the same as before ....but the 3 lads became local tax payers.
Now to me , their streets were lit , swept , their trash was taken away ,schools provided, their roads were repaired , parks , libraries etc were looked after and it never cost them a bean ........and it still doesn't 25 years later .
In comparison I still pay Poll Tax @ £120.00 /Month compared to thousands of working people who live with their parents who pay sod all towards the dwindling services provided by this city .
Are your kids starting at the local school this year ? Don't worry , Deke will pay for their education , the maintenabce of the school & all the teacher salaries !!!!! Got working teenagers at home ?? Not to worry Deke will provide the new wheeliebins for their rubbish . :C
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Personally I think that the idea of the Poll Tax is correct..... properties don't use services,, people do!
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I always maintained that, but the AMOUNT was wrong.
Before the poll tax I lived alone paying rates.
When the poll tax came in, what I had to pay was MORE than my rates used to be, as a single person. So a familly would pay a lot more.
When the poll tax was replaced with the council tax, guess what, the council tax was MORE than my poll tax had been.
That's why I am not screaming for the council tax to be replaced, because it will just be an excuse to charge us all more.
I don't know what my parents rates were, but I paid something like £250 when it came in...
I think if they'd got the amount right,,, I.e. a family of 4 paid near enough the same as what the rates were then there wouldn't have been hardly any complaints, however the income gained would have been much less
I think if they'd got the amount right,,, I.e. a family of 4 paid near enough the same as what the rates were then there wouldn't have been hardly any complaints, however the income gained would have been much less
For me the local charge should be calculated from 2 components:
1. The size of the property based on the number of habitable rooms (so a 3 bedroom house with a lounge diner and single garage would have a factor of 5. Add another living room and bedroom and the factor is 7. Under council tax extensions don't increase the rating!
2. The number of adults who are over 18 on the 1st sept
That would make things simpler for a start.
1. The size of the property based on the number of habitable rooms (so a 3 bedroom house with a lounge diner and single garage would have a factor of 5. Add another living room and bedroom and the factor is 7. Under council tax extensions don't increase the rating!
2. The number of adults who are over 18 on the 1st sept
That would make things simpler for a start.
The poll tax was right - the implementation was wrong. There should have been a complete rebate for those below a certain wage and those on benefits (Benefits are technically what the government says you NEED to live on...no extra's) Remember we didn't have min wage then - wages of £1 per hour were not uncommon in the area where I grew up....so the poll tax was a huge burden on them.
Trying it out in one nation (Scotland) was also a recipe for disaster. The trouble that caused up here...well you know the rest as soon as it hit England the frenzy from up here hit the streets of London....The government had a choice - come down very hard or u-turn, Well the tories all hated thatcher by then (price of success) and they saw this as a chance to kill her off.
I do actually think each and every working person should pay. It's a difficult thing as you just can't get someone with nothing to give to pay more - and jailing people costs money as does the whole involvement in the justice system.
Trying it out in one nation (Scotland) was also a recipe for disaster. The trouble that caused up here...well you know the rest as soon as it hit England the frenzy from up here hit the streets of London....The government had a choice - come down very hard or u-turn, Well the tories all hated thatcher by then (price of success) and they saw this as a chance to kill her off.
I do actually think each and every working person should pay. It's a difficult thing as you just can't get someone with nothing to give to pay more - and jailing people costs money as does the whole involvement in the justice system.
I'd go with that , Diddley :Salute
And what about the "professional" layabouts - that could give them even more reason not to get a job!
Can someone please explain what poll tax is to the uneducated foreigner?
and therein lies a problem
all the immigrants on benefits that labour opened the floodgates to are all allowed to vote, even if they are here illegally,
yet, a hardworking person paying taxes isnt,
how come?
You have to be a British citizen to vote in the general election BUT you can still vote in the local elections. I don't feel ready to give up my swedish citizenship at the moment so until the days comes it's just one of the things that I've gotta live with.
You mean the baggy t-shirt brigade? I've never understood this, I can only assume its corrupt politicians.
Just out of interest do you pay more tax being non eu like the yanks, aussies & kiwis?
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