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Like many others here, I couldn't quite work out what Phil was saying he'd found, it make not a lot of sense with the light having two permanent lives, etc. It came to me a bit later though. Its still a borrowed neutral situation, but slightly different to the normal one we encounter.

If you think of a standard conversion method 2way wired in 6243Y. With a switch drop from the landing light to the top switch and then the 6243y out and to the switch at the bottom. Now keep it wired the mostly the same, remove the core linking L1 to L1 on the two switches, which is in with the red permanent live of the switch drop at the top, you are now short of a permanent live to L1 at the bottom switch (but you of course still have one at the top), so that gets linked off the adjacent switch, which happens to be on a different circuit. Result, is it still borrows, (but only half the time), I suppose you could say its more of a borrowed live than a borrowed neutral!
I encountered one like that once. the landing light would work fine and turn on with the switches one position, but would trip the rcd if you tried to turn it on in the other position. Took some head scratching to work out what was happening.

 
This has reminded me of an "electrician"  ..sent to help finish a new school contract .  

He spent an eternity messing with the switching in the assembly hall .......my mate went to find out what was happening ........  he was attempting to get all the switches in the UP position when OFF  ...but one of them was a 2 way . 

Generally with 2 ways in houses theres a 2 gang in the hall . We usually make the HALL light on the UPSTAIRS  circuit .   Then just get 2 X twins down to the switch . 

 
OMG!!   I never realised !    Or even a real PME   versus   a pretend PME  system  .

Naw its OK ....its Stepps who has a degree in  that stuff  and hes not online yet .   Doesn't finish his scrap metal round till around 8.00 pm :innocent

 
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