Bonding again

[m4tty]

Hi,

I've been asked to add a socket to an installation for a boiler but have been told the electrics are not in a very good state with spurs off spurs etc.

If I split the tails and put a new small board in with rcd protection and a 16a radial in 2.5 for the additional socket, I'll still have to upgrade bonding on the old board (bs3036) or is that seperate from what I've installed?

Cheers for any advice and I got some more questions to follow shortly

thanks

 

[Lurch]

The bonding isn;t a board specific item, it's installation specific.

 

[spinlondon]

Are the existing earthing and bonding arrangements adequate for the safety measure you have installed?

 

[ianmacd]

You should then have a MET external to either boards and have the bonding go to this.

 

[m4tty]

If all the new wiring I add is surface mounted then I don't have to have it rcd protected ?

 

[Theorysparky]

nope

(i will wait for the fallout)

NICEIC say one thing everyone else says another...

 

[a1]

NICEIC say one thing everyone else says another...

Personally - I'd work to the regs - Not NIC.

 

[Theorysparky]

Personally - I'd work to the regs - Not NIC.

unless you were with NIC !!!!!

 

[m4tty]

That's ok then cheers I'm elecsa

 

[a1]

unless you were with NIC !!!!!

Why? they can't fail it if your work is to the REGS!!!

 

[ianmacd]

Where is the boiler? Put in a sfcu. Why do you not want to put an RCD in?

 

[Megaohm7]

Personally - I'd work to the regs - Not NIC.

So would I, it's what we do as even the NICEC have to abide by the regs.. :Salute

 

[kme]

If all the new wiring I add is surface mounted then I don't have to have it rcd protected ?

nope (i will wait for the fallout)

NICEIC say one thing everyone else says another...

So, do I understand that this "socket outlet", in your opinions, doesn`t need an RCD to comply with regs?

Forgive me - I know I`m with NIC, but I`m sure I`d read it in the original regs book that ALL socket outlets, apart from certain exceptions, must be supplied through a 30mA RCD?

:innocentWet Fish

 

[Theorysparky]

So, do I understand that this "socket outlet", in your opinions, doesn`t need an RCD to comply with regs? Forgive me - I know I`m with NIC, but I`m sure I`d read it in the original regs book that ALL socket outlets, apart from certain exceptions, must be supplied through a 30mA RCD?

:innocentWet Fish

so i didnt read the initial post properly !!!!!!!

:coat

 

[m4tty]

Where is the boiler? Put in a sfcu. Why do you not want to put an RCD in?

Boiler is in the garage and plumber has asked for a socket. It's a rewirable fuseboard and I'm sure the plumber has said it'll be ok to surface wire it. I don't mind putting an rcd in just trying to work out easiest way. Thanks for helping tho. cheers

 

[m4tty]

So, do I understand that this "socket outlet", in your opinions, doesn`t need an RCD to comply with regs? Forgive me - I know I`m with NIC, but I`m sure I`d read it in the original regs book that ALL socket outlets, apart from certain exceptions, must be supplied through a 30mA RCD?

:innocentWet Fish

That's why I'm asking mate as I'm not 100% sure. If it's surface mounted And the socket is labelled 'boiler only' will it still need rcd protection. I'm asking so I learn the best way from you guys. Cheers

 

[Theorysparky]

have a read

http://www.elecsa.org.uk/downloads/17th%20Edition%20Q%20and%20A%20factsheet.pdf

socket outlets

fcu ????

 

[m4tty]

have a readhttp://www.elecsa.org.uk/downloads/17th%20Edition%20Q%20and%20A%20factsheet.pdf

socket outlets

fcu ????

Thanks theory so if I add a fcu for the boiler and surface mount the wiring spurring from the ring at the cu. I can get away without adding an rcd. Sorry to keep asking but wanna get it right. cheers

 

[PC Electrics]

Boiler is in the garage and plumber has asked for a socket. It's a rewirable fuseboard and I'm sure the plumber has said it'll be ok to surface wire it. I don't mind putting an rcd in just trying to work out easiest way. Thanks for helping tho. cheers

Make sure main earth and bonding is okay

(not forgetting the guidance about 6mm bonds)

If you surface mount and use an FCU then no need for an RCD.

That way you could add it to pretty much any existing circuit (you'll be putting a 3A fuse in the FCU).

(pull it off the lights in the garage, even)

MWC and not notifiable.

Job jobbed.

If it's a y plan and there's already buried cables eg to roomstat, then use an RCD FCU.

Keep it simple, but legal. Keep the cost down. They'll have you back.

 

[spinlondon]

So, do I understand that this "socket outlet", in your opinions, doesn`t need an RCD to comply with regs? Forgive me - I know I`m with NIC, but I`m sure I`d read it in the original regs book that ALL socket outlets, apart from certain exceptions, must be supplied through a 30mA RCD?

:innocentWet Fish

Only socket-outlets intended for general use.