Can I write Certificates when I pass 2330?

[a1pacino]

I will be finishing C&G 2330 L3 course soon and would like to know what will my status be-will I be a qualified electrician who can carry out my own work? also can I inspect,test and sign off an installation?

I have heard a lot of conflicting information and would like to know what I can and cant do legally when I have passed level 3

Cheers,

 

[Andy™]

as long as your competent, you can do anything. just if you plan to work domestic you will either need to be part p reg'd, or notify LABC to be able to carry out certain work

 

[a1pacino]

do I have to register with Part P when I have L2+L3 2330? my tutor said that we dont have to go near Part P as we have done the 3 year sparky course. Do I have to notify LABC before or after work has been done and does that include testing?

 

[Andy™]

your tutor is talking crap.

you must either be part p reg'd to carry out notifiable work or notify LABC in advance. just because youve just completed the course, doesnt mean you can ignore building regs.

having completed the course though does mean you should have enough quals to join a scam though

 

[a1pacino]

oh ok will make sure I do that, what is this scam you speak of!?

 

[Andy™]

oh ok will make sure I do that, what is this scam you speak of!?

napit, elecsa & co

as with most government stuff, 'scam' is a better word for 'scheme'

 

[a1pacino]

oh im with you now!

 

[a1]

A1,

Your Lecturer was talking about the Course called C&G 2393 - Part P. You don't have to do that because you cover Part P on your 2330 Levels 2 & 3 (More so - Level 3).

He didn't actually mean the Part P Schemes. Such as Napit, Elesca etc. (at least, I hope he/she didn't)

HTH.

 

[msb2003]

They may well ask for 2391 as well especially due to your lack of experience having only just qualified

 

[andylherts]

Your next course should be the 2392 (single phase testing/certify up to 100amps) or if you s**t hot on the regs you could go for broke and do the 2391.

I suggest the 2392 as a good starter. Oh its the usual 'that will be

 

[spinlondon]

Anyone who is competent can complete an EIC/MWC or PIR form.

Part P states you must be qualified?

All domestic work that is covered by Part P must be notified.

This can be done by informing Building Control in advance, and paying a fee, or by one of the self certificating competent persons schemes.

If a planning application has been submitted, and approved, say for an extension or a loft conversion, then notification of electrical works should not be required, as the notification should have been included with the planning application.

However, with something like a detatched garage, it would be best to check, as it is not allways the case that a garage would have electrical fittings.

 

[green-hornet]

I have never seen the 2392 as a viable course.

My reason being that it only really applies to domestic or small commercial where you are already covered by the qualifications or the fact that to be registered it is not required.

Its a bit like a mock exam, but with a certificate.

If you have done an apprentice and taken all the relevant exams 2391 should not be a problem.

If you have fast tracked, then I would suggest spending loads of dosh and do all the scam courses to bring you up to the required standard.

Part P exam is a useless exam and there to gain revenue from the gullable.

My personal view and is not intended to offend anyone who has taken the exam, but you did not need to if you did.

 

[andylherts]

GH, no offence taken. The apprenticeship route was not open to me, I left school in '85 a time of high unemployment and few opportunities. I am like quite a few others here, are late starters. 3 yrs at night school on the 2330, since done the update course and the 2392.

the guy i work with on and off (read as much work as possible with full time job also to contend with) is an niceic contractor, it shows him I really want to learn. He can trust me to complete the testing, complete the paperwork without constant supervision.

I will get that 2391 one day, the 2392 is at present a good half way house to build experience on.

 

[L-E_Fault]

I have never seen the 2392 as a viable course.My reason being that it only really applies to domestic or small commercial where you are already covered by the qualifications or the fact that to be registered it is not required.

Its a bit like a mock exam, but with a certificate.

If you have done an apprentice and taken all the relevant exams 2391 should not be a problem.

If you have fast tracked, then I would suggest spending loads of dosh and do all the scam courses to bring you up to the required standard.

Part P exam is a useless exam and there to gain revenue from the gullable.

My personal view and is not intended to offend anyone who has taken the exam, but you did not need to if you did.

GREEN HORNET my plan was to complete the 2330 L2 & L3, 17th edition, 2392 then the 2391. I wanted to do the 2392 because I've heard how hard the 2391 is and I was thinking the 2392 would be a good introduction to testing which would be more in depth than the 2330 L3.

 

[andylherts]

The 2392 is a good bolt on to the the level 3 2330 Inspect/test part of the course.

4 days to learn how to use that

 

[green-hornet]

Please do not take anything I have said as personal, I have nothing against any one who wants to learn, and respect any which way they choose to do it.

My point is that there are now people who make one hell of a lot of money running courses that are new and not previously required. Scam providers included.

To me they are scum thriving on the hopes and dreams of people wanting to better themselves.

The 2391 is a hard exam but is it harder now than it was before?

Why has the failure rate risen in the last few years?

Why do the scheme providers feel it is neccesary to do a pre-test for a test?

My thoughts are, everything is done for money, and to cream as much as they can from you.

 

[batty]

Please do not take anything I have said as personal, I have nothing against any one who wants to learn, and respect any which way they choose to do it.My point is that there are now people who make one hell of a lot of money running courses that are new and not previously required. Scam providers included.

To me they are scum thriving on the hopes and dreams of people wanting to better themselves.

The 2391 is a hard exam but is it harder now than it was before?

Why has the failure rate risen in the last few years?

Why do the scheme providers feel it is neccesary to do a pre-test for a test?

My thoughts are, everything is done for money, and to cream as much as they can from you.

This the problem with the country in general there are peole trying to make an easy living out of others. I am lucky that I have enough work and do not have to really on others for advertising and other schemes. If I need to be reducated I do it through a local college and not a fast track scheme.

Batty

 

[L-E_Fault]

If the 2391 is hard for practising electricians who test on a weekly basis, then for someone who has just finished the 2330 L3 it may be to much to soon. But I don't know I'm just coming to the end of L2 I don't know how much they teach you about the testing on L3. I guess I'll just wait and see how I get on.

 

[green-hornet]

Tim when I did my training (1970's) we just passed the courses and got a job.

Electrical engineers with degrees did the design, and the engineers did the testing.

Nowadays electricians have to design and test.

I remember when I was a lad all our testers had a HNC or equivelent.

There is more pressure on todays electricians and I have seen adverts for electrician jobs where a requirement has been for them to have the 2391?

MOST INDUSTRIAL ELECTRICIANS WOULD LAUGH AT THE THOUGHT.

2391 is an exam to be taken when you have gained enough experiance to be comfortable with your limitations.

Experiance in my view is worth more than a signed paper.

The paper can wait.

 

[Andy™]

Experiance in my view is worth more than a signed paper.

The paper can wait.

but these days they want the paperwork to say 'well he's qualified so we dont take any responsibily' etc