can you look at these results and see what you think please

[sanny]

A cu change has to be certificated with an installation certificate so all tests in sequence

+ if your connecting circuits wouldn't you want to know everything was A ok before you power up ?

 

[ADS]

A cu change has to be certificated with an installation certificate so all tests in sequence+ if your connecting circuits wouldn't you want to know everything was A ok before you power up ?

But the EIC is issued for the consumer unit - that's what you are installing.

So the Schedule of Test Results accompanying the EIC should only have test results relative to the installation of the CU.

The rest of the installation (existing), should be subject to a PIR and the relative test results for said installation recorded on a Schedule of Test Results accompanying the PIR.

This would confirm that everything was 'a ok', as you put it.

And during a PIR you wouldn't necessarily be doing R1 + R2 tests, or Ring Final continuity tests - which is why I asked the question

 

[sanny]

The EIC with Schedule of inspections and Schedule of test results covers the CU change no need for a PIR as its all coverd on the EIC which has to be completed for a CU change! A PIR might not even be due when the CU is changed! Different if just adding a new circuit it would be an EIC for that then a PIR for the exising instalation (if it was due) can get confusing though

 

[batty]

The EIC with Schedule of inspections and Schedule of test results covers the CU change no need for a PIR as its all coverd on the EIC which has to be completed for a CU change! A PIR might not even be due when the CU is changed! Different if just adding a new circuit it would be an EIC for that then a PIR for the exising instalation (if it was due) can get confusing though

Why would you issue a complete eic for a consumer unit change you have to be very careful doing this as you have only changed the circuit protective device and possibly an RCD. An eic is for a new circuit you have not installed a new circuit just the protective device.

 

[ADS]

The EIC with Schedule of inspections and Schedule of test results covers the CU change no need for a PIR as its all coverd on the EIC which has to be completed for a CU change! A PIR might not even be due when the CU is changed! Different if just adding a new circuit it would be an EIC for that then a PIR for the exising instalation (if it was due) can get confusing though

I'm afraid you are wrong, mate.

The EIC cannot cover the existing installation as you didn't install it.

How can you sign this for the existing installation......:

I being the person responsible for the Design, Construction, Inspection & Testing of the electrical installation (as indicated by my signature below), particulars of which are described above, having exercised reasonable skill and care when carrying out the Design, Construction, Inspection & Testing, hereby CERTIFY that the said work for which I have been responsible is to the best of my knowledge and belief in accordance with BS 7671:2008 amended to .......... (date)

....when you didn't design or construct it.

They are two different forms.

One, the EIC is a 'certificate', certifying the work you have done.

The other, PIR, is a 'report' on the existing installation.

 

[sanny]

i can assure you its deffo an EIC for a CU change! note its a CU change on the certificate thats what your responsible for the design and construction has to be checked by you during your inspection (as much as possible you cant check within the fabric of the building) every circuit has to be tested and inspected as it has been modified by you! I change these most days for a local authority and have recently sat and passed a 2391-301 exam.If im wrong i'll pack up my tools and get a job delivering chinese lol

 

[m4tty]

Why would you issue a complete eic for a consumer unit change you have to be very careful doing this as you have only changed the circuit protective device and possibly an RCD. An eic is for a new circuit you have not installed a new circuit just the protective device.

What do you issue for a board change then batty mate?

 

[batty]

What do you issue for a board change then batty mate?

An eic but you must state its for board change only and fill in relevent parts which is loop test at furthest point of circuit and RCD tests also any faults found while testing.

 

[sanny]

So you would connect a ring circuit in without doing the 3 step ring circuit test,polarity tests, insulation resistance r1+r2 etc ?

 

[batty]

So you would connect a ring circuit in without doing the 3 step ring circuit test,polarity tests, insulation resistance r1+r2 etc ?

No but generally I ensure its a ring do an insulation test to ensure it won't trip RCD and loop at each socket.

 

[kme]

As would I

 

[septiclecky]

Here goes1.....First thing i noticed was the Zs values given are bang on ie R1R2 + Ze this makes me think you havenot measured and just calculated.

2....You can put the 5x results in the "other" column but obviously write 5x at the top

3....Serial numbers req for meter

4....Are the luminaires vulnerable in a bungalow, a florry is ok (if it dunt have an electronic starter or gear tray)

5....Presence of diagrams and cct charts. Is there a technical diagram and chart on site?

6...Routing of cables in prescribed zones. Are you sure? if not put LIM

7....Theres no garage so where is the SWA

8....Max demand....A cooker and shower on at the same time...cud this be more than 50? its your call

9....60947-3

10...Alteration not a new installation

11....You have not filled in the amended to date

12...Not filled in the next inspection time

13...Spelled your name wrong( Joke )

14....Did you actually see the main fuse or did you just look at the meter rating or is it intuition.

Thats it i think

.. :coffee

As it is a domestic property probabily not

Impossible to do as there is no amendment yet, first one does not come out till next year.

 

[ADS]

So you would connect a ring circuit in without doing the 3 step ring circuit test,polarity tests, insulation resistance r1+r2 etc ?

Hi Sanny,

You're right about the Ring Final Testing - it's very rare that I would connect up a Ring Final to a 32 A MCB, without confirming it was in fact a ring

Polarity tests of supply, extremity of radials - yes

IR test at board - L & N connected together to Earth - yes

R1 + R2 - No

CPC continuity and exposed conductive parts - Yes, Zs test to confirm continuity on radials, R2 Wander lead for exposed conductive parts.

Zs at extremity of radials and every socket outlet - Yes

RCD/Functional - Yes (at board)

The thing is, I don't do a board change without a PIR - saves a lot of headaches and hidden surprises - so most of these tests and results are on the PIR and associated schedules, and they're done in any order that you like - coz it's a PIR

The EIC is purely for the CU installation.

 

[Nicky Tesla]

As it is a domestic property probabily notImpossible to do as there is no amendment yet, first one does not come out till next year.

I know probably not, but he still ticked it as if it had

Did the 17th come out in 2006 thats flown

 

[Nicky Tesla]

Thought so, 17th came out in 2008 so yes it does need an amendment date putting in on the form

 

[monkey5]

it says 2008 on cert already just looks like 2006, just needs a line through .....'s .

wayne

 

[Voltimax]

on shed of test results i would have put full address of where work was carried out not just in the porch, then maybe write in the porch in comments box

I disagree, the test results will be attached to the whole document so page 1 will have the installation address. There is nothing wrong with crossing out address and leaving location of distribution board. If you don't agree check out the Part P doctor

 

[Voltimax]

Here goes1.....First thing i noticed was the Zs values given are bang on ie R1R2 + Ze this makes me think you have not measured and just calculated.

Nothing wrong with calculating, this is acceptable as long as Ze was measured as well as R1 + R2. Lets not have this old debate again.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

But the EIC is issued for the consumer unit - that's what you are installing.So the Schedule of Test Results accompanying the EIC should only have test results relative to the installation of the CU.

The rest of the installation (existing), should be subject to a PIR and the relative test results for said installation recorded on a Schedule of Test Results accompanying the PIR.

And by the same argument when adding an additional accessory to a circuit you only do your tests on the new bit of cable and your new accessory added.. not the whole circuit?

Them maybe do a PIR on the rest of the original circuit you did not install?????

:|

 

[jackfrosty]

hi guys just slighty confused were i write what i have done such as Changed CU, upgraded bonding etc, is it in the 'Extent of installion covered by this certificate' or 'Comments on existing installation'. A slight description of what both these boxes mean and what exactly should be written in them would be great, im used to niceic certificates

cheers