Certificating of non scheme member's work.

[Clarkster]

I am new to the world of electrics and although I have passed my 17th edition and inspection and testing courses which entitle me to apply for scheme membership, I do not want to part with scheme fee's in case the work is not out there.

I would much rather pay half a days pay to a scheme member to come and carry out the inspection and testing (compare our test results) at the end of the job, feel free to scrutinize and ask any questions about the work that I have undertaken and make a judgement on whether to issue the relevant paperwork or not. I would like to do this for 12 months after which time I will be able to assess if it is cost effective to join a scheme or carry this arrangement on, and not to mention pick up valuable experience. If any of you guys would be interested in earning some ready cash for a mornings inspecting and testing without getting your hands dirty please repond. Im based in Stockport.

It seems these scams want everyone's annual subscription when as long as the work is inspected and tested by a scheme member what is the problem. After all the whole point is about safety, and the customer will still remain just that !!!!!!!!!

To give an example from another trade, very few Car Mechanics are actually MOT tester's this does'nt mean they do not know the MOT rules or are any less competent.

 

[Electroglow]

I think ur in for a roasting

 

[Robin Spark]

Not allowed under Part P rules i'm afraid. However you could submit a building notice to your local council before you start any notifiable work and then they would either accept your EIC's or minor works certs or they might send someone out to check your work.

 

[steptoe]

Clarkster, give me a bell anytime mate, I based in N Manchester, but do quite a bit of work in Stockport/Tameside and I will do you as many PIRs/EICRs as you will ever need/want,

going rate at the minute is approx

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

But I doubt you will get garage 'A' to issue an MOT certificate for your car tested at garage 'B'?????

I can only suggest you go back and re-read Approved Document P

Try page 12 paragraphs 1.28..

The one that says unregistered installers should NOT arrange for a third party to carry out final inspection and testing!!??

Also if an NICEIC member were to notify your jobs

 

[SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH]

The part P notification (cert) is not electrical. It is to state the electrician followed the building regulations whist carrying out his work. It is not normally possible to check for this after a job has been done, such as cable routes, holes in joists etc. Thats why only the person who carried out the work knows this and has been assessed that they know it

 

[batty]

So roughly what are you thinking of paying

 

[NozSpark]

It's also against the scheme providers membership rules for any of it's members to sign off a third parties work..

So why not pass on the notifyable work to a registered contractor on the proviso that they let you help them out?

 

[steptoe]

me me me me me me ,

I bagsies first!

 

[NozSpark]

Have you joined a scam yet Steps?

Since leaving your job recently

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Are you in a scam yet Steps?

me me me me me me ,I bagsies first!

I would much rather pay half a days pay to a scheme member to come and carry out the inspection and testing (compare our test results) ....

... If any of you guys would be interested in earning some ready cash for a mornings inspecting and testing without getting your hands dirty please repond. Im based in Stockport.

I will do you as many PIRs/EICRs as you will ever need/want,

I think he may be offering to do...

Inspection & testing??

:Blushing :innocent

 

[NozSpark]

Ah,,,, but he said "me me me me me me" after I mentioned "pass it on to a registered contractor"

 

[steptoe]

Noz, you really think an EDIT is going to stop me looking like an idiot? :slap

Im waiting to see how much work I can steal from the clarkster first.!

Im just waiting on the paperwork bumf getting sorted just now,

you got any suggestions before I sign the line? I looked at NICEIC but seemed like dopey dollar for what I want,

Im prob gonna go with the best VFM, and I think I know who that is.

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Have you joined a scam yet Steps?Since leaving your job recently

Ive still got a load of their cert books in my van, I'll just use those,

 

[NozSpark]

I said that the edit would only stop me from making you look like an idiot,,

TBH you don't need the help

 

[steptoe]

no,!

I just need HELP. :C

 

[Electroglow]

So y aRe u not with a scam steps? Do u do maint com and industrial work?

 

[steptoe]

yep, though more and more lately Ive been turning down domestic part P jobs so it may be getting to the stage its financially worthwhile,

BUT,

I HATE domestic.!

 

[Smilers]

To original Op why would a customer want to use an unregistered sparks most ask not all but most do!

Stick to industrial / commercial if you don't want to register I wouldn't even bother with domestic.

I think we should treat Scam membership as a Sparky TAX ! Just pay up and account for it in your invoicing.

If your not going to get enough work to cover Scam fees then you might as well go on the cards!

Gl oh and don't get any unsuspecting homeowner a

 

[Technician]

MOT's and EIC's...The MOT is only testimony that the vehicle in

question was roadworthy ON THAT DAY.

The "life" of an EIC is five years, meaning that the inspector holds

legal liability over it for that period.

I was in the business of in-service inspection and I was signing off

stuff on a 10 year certificate.

I also hear about work being done around me for which inspecting

and tests are needed. I always avoid it.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

MOT's and EIC's...The MOT is only testimony that the vehicle inquestion was roadworthy ON THAT DAY.

The "life" of an EIC is five years, meaning that the inspector holds

legal liability over it for that period.

I was in the business of in-service inspection and I was signing off

stuff on a 10 year certificate.

I also hear about work being done around me for which inspecting

and tests are needed. I always avoid it.

Incorrect.

reg 114.1 Wiring regs are NON statutory...

An EIC MWC or PIR (EICR) is only a testimony that the works done or installation inspected was compliant with BS7671 on the day that it was tested..

It does NOT have a 5 year life..

It is NOT a statutory document..

Go back and read the declaration that is signed...

The contractor signs to say the work that they have completed complies with current regs and has not made the installation any more dangerous than it was originally...

He/she recommends a suitable next inspection date based on how they have observed the installations condition,

could be 1 day could be 10 years?

BUT legally the homeowner can go and do all sorts of DIY the day after you do any tests and render the readings etc.. on the EIC MWC PIR EICR to be irrelevant.