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So would YOU go up and start working on a junction box without testing for dead, just on the assumption that someone else had isolated the circuit?

No, I thought not.

We seem to like to "blame" somebody, but to me, it looks like the person to blame, was the person standing on top of the ladder who had not personally isolated the circuit, and had not personally "tested for dead" before starting work.

The "storage boxes" probably broke his fall and saved him from worse injury.

I'll get criticised for this last statement, but even a simple neon screwdriver or volt stick would have showed him it was live and he would have come back down the ladder and gone to make it safe properly.

Anybody that just takes someone elses word for it that it's dead, and grabs hold of the terminals, is just an idiot.

I do feel slightly sorry for the contractor firm, who appear to have been found guilty of having an incompetent employee not trained to undertake electrical work safely.

And this has nothing to do with Part P. It's all about the guy on the top of the ladder was not competent to do the job he was doing, but someone else got the blame, not him. Tightening the Part P system would do NOTHING to solve that sort of problem.

 
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Just another part of today's claim culture heard the hearing advert on the radio the other day about being able to sue your old company think some one was on about it the other day companies like this should be banned along with the whiplash companies sending all our insurances soaring what ever next

 
Am i reading this correct? The man who was up the ladder and got the belt was NOT to blame for the incident? 100% his fault IMO. Hope that the guy's ok now but its his responsibilty to check dead before he touches anything. These days common sense doesn't prevail when using ladders and he was unable to judge whether they were safe himself(!)

 
I got a jolt up the arm today. I was asked to rewires a fused spur to a boiler and was working on it the boss was down stairs the whole cu was dead but he decided to switch the down stairs sockets on or something and I received a shock. First time for me too. He said he couldn't understand why and said sorry, I told him I don't care if you think it should have been dead circuit my arm told me otherwise. First day on the job too as a mate. Still in collage doing my 2330 level 2 I know safe isolation but I put my trust in him as he is fully qualifies .

 
I got a jolt up the arm today. I was asked to rewires a fused spur to a boiler and was working on it the boss was down stairs the whole cu was dead but he decided to switch the down stairs sockets on or something and I received a shock. First time for me too. He said he couldn't understand why and said sorry, I told him I don't care if you think it should have been dead circuit my arm told me otherwise. First day on the job too as a mate. Still in collage doing my 2330 level 2 I know safe isolation but I put my trust in him as he is fully qualifies .
Gavin, that will probably stay with you forever now mate and could save your life . Boss should have shouted up that he was switching on too, by the way. We still do it .

 
Yes will def stay with me for the rest of my life. No trust anymore only my self. It was a house rewire. He should have waited till everything was connected up or at least asked first

 
Am i reading this correct? The man who was up the ladder and got the belt was NOT to blame for the incident? 100% his fault IMO. Hope that the guy's ok now but its his responsibilty to check dead before he touches anything. These days common sense doesn't prevail when using ladders and he was unable to judge whether they were safe himself(!)
First thing I was told was " You don't take anybody's word that its dead , you test everything yourself"

I've been told dozens of times that circuits, panels, busbar chambers, distribution boards are dead and found them to be live.

When tackled they say stuff like "Oh well someone told ME it was dead "

Even on house bashing my mate will shout up to you with something like " I'm switching the ring on , what are you doing '"

And we learned all this before all the H&S kicked in!!

 
I got a jolt up the arm today. I was asked to rewires a fused spur to a boiler and was working on it the boss was down stairs the whole cu was dead but he decided to switch the down stairs sockets on or something and I received a shock. First time for me too. He said he couldn't understand why and said sorry, I told him I don't care if you think it should have been dead circuit my arm told me otherwise. First day on the job too as a mate. Still in collage doing my 2330 level 2 I know safe isolation but I put my trust in him as he is fully qualifies .
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There is no excuse for not doing safe isolation....

I NEVER trust anyone else to isolate any circuits I am working on....

Only needs the wrong shock across the wrong part of the body and a healthy adult can be dead in seconds!

Regulations 12, 13, & 14.. from here..

Memorandum of Guidance on the Electricity at Work Regulations 1989 Health and Safety Guidance: Amazon.co.uk: Health and Safety Executive (HSE): Books

Would be relevant I suspect?

I guess this is one of the corners that are cut on a 1 day rewire???

:C :( headbang

 
Unfortunately whilst the old school amongst us will remember the time when common sense prevailed, it seems that the modern way is you have to have the accidents before your taught common sense. Perhaps this is a result of multiculturalism and to many language barriers, or too much liberalism with wishy washy vagueness.

 
Just thought I'd get some feedback on your thoughts to this Contracting firm and director fined after worker receives electric shock - Edmundson ElectricalShould or should not part p be expanded to cover all electrical work or should we be raising our standards??
It would appear that the normal H&S & EAWR regs are robust enough in this instance, as a prosecution was successful......

Adam Fras pleaded guilty to breaching regulation 14 of the Electricity at Work Regulations 1989 in relation to the incident following the HSE investigation
So further expansion of Part P would add little to it?

Notwithstanding the fact that one of the reasons Part P was introduced was to bring some formal legislation into the domestic environment where Other industrial regulations do not apply.

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