Dedicated Circuit

[Sidewinder]

scrag,

Good plan, however, you would need to be covered on your PI, if you have it, for training & be competent to train for this to be a viable defence in court.

A Trainer Training course would be a minimum as far as training competence goes, the electrical competence would be additional.

The PI would be to ensure that should your training prove to be inadequate in a court of law then you could get them to pay out.

Else you could find yourself bankrupt or possibly imprisoned.

BTW I don't make the rules, these are just some of the scenarios.

 

[scrag]

OH Well..What about NICEIC hepline. Rules and regulations are for the blind obediance of fools and the guidence of wise men. Can you usre this is a court of law??????

 

[Sidewinder]

Ask the NICEIC to provide this in writing to prove your competence then the burden of proof moves to them.

However, I doubt they will!

 

[philbas]

I have a pint of beer on the table next to me, there's a socket behind the table. I'm more likely to spill my pint than bust a fishtanks.

Your more likely to break the fishtank after you drink the beer

 

[scrag]

Wot about!!!!!!!!!!! leaving circuit disconected at c/u leaving in the MCB. Fill out paperwork with descriptioins and tests etc etc. Leaving that particular way as spare and leave it up to client to do what they like. I think we are trying too hard to find a way out of this.. Any resonable person (including the law) can see that you have done your best. Advise client to use 12/24v eqp for fishtank. RCD skt if it is going to be a fish tank, lots of labels. JOB DONE. you have done your job correct whats the prob.

 

[Manator]

When the rules were written on those slate tiles many years ago, the veiw was taken that any company that had an active full time employed maintenance department could be deemed in point of law as having trained personel status, and as such, significant dangers could be avoided by regular maintenance checks. Now this rule has been misused for many years and has taken in all commercial installations which includes small shops that have no regular maintenance checks, or standard safety checks in place. However the fault lies with the electrical engineer responsible for the installation, his failure to evaluate the situation without the correct risk assessment, and the overall neglet and lazyness results in abuse of this regulation or should I say guidance.

There are design and cable selection options available to negate the use of a RCD, often these are overlooked.

Some people assume the only regulation they need to comply with is BS7671, often questions are asked on this forum that do not follow the regulation BS7671, however the supply up to that part must, as for anything beyond supply it must comply with the regulation governing that particular item or field of expertise.

I think very few people think about the possible court action that could be taken against themselves, if, they partake in work they are ill informed, or competant to do so. Very few include insurance against such actions being taken.

I would love to do an install and as scrag said, give instruction, however it would not stand up in a court of law unfortunately.

 

[Sidewinder]

Manator, Oh for the thanks button!

I'll start another thread tomorrow, wrt to this.

Got to go to me pit now!

As I can't thank you I'll have to do sommat else!

 

[Manator]

I suppose you will just have to scoob me then Sidewinder

 

[Badger]

I suppose you will just have to scoob me then Sidewinder

:worship:Applaud:Applaud:worship

 

[Megaohm7]

just because no one has been electrocuted or no fires doesn't make it right, nails have been in fuse carriers with no fires, but its not right to todays standards.I'm going to be doing a salon soon, the ones where women put their feet in a tank of fish, do you reckon I'll rcd the existing sockets even though I don't have to? Of course!

A very true point with BS 3036 rewireable fuses. It's easy for someone to put the wrong size fuse wire in when one blows..I've seen it a few times.As for RCD protection in the salon, you can always and probably will recommend it..