Do you have a Licence to Practice ? Looks like you'll be needing one.

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Spotted this in the ECN .    Yet another level of bureaucracy on it's way down the line .

The JIB, Unite Union , ECA  , latching onto the 18th edition   and suddenly  using the phrase ....Licence to Practice .   Bet they are working out how much to charge as we speak !!!!

 
Im still on the run from the electric police... they'll never catch me! Mwhahahaha....

They can do one, as long as you can still buy consumer units & meter tails in kerchings favourite shop then they can't control who does what.

Just another way to milk this dead horse.

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I can't fork out any more money on this stuff, I'm going to work for the DNO.

 
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....Licence to Practice
I always said that we should be paid the same as doctors

I done all my practicing when I was young and it worked I passed!!

so the one's that don't have this licence to practice do they have a licence to kill?

 
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I whole heartedly support a licence, if we bring it in in line with our Antipodean or USA cousins, which I very much doubt, cos that would mean all the 5ww wnt get it, therefore less money in the scam coffers.

 
Spotted this in the ECN .    Yet another level of bureaucracy on it's way down the line .

The JIB, Unite Union , ECA  , latching onto the 18th edition   and suddenly  using the phrase ....Licence to Practice .   Bet they are working out how much to charge as we speak !!!!
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They can do whatever they like and I'll do whatever I like, I'm passed caring anymore, especially since part p came in,real electricians are becoming harder to find, it's all 5WW and DI's, Well the scams seem to be encouraging them and fine, good luck when somebody needs a pyro end making off, these DI's and 5WW's aren't going to do it are they!

 
I know it’s a pipe dream but I’ve always advocated a registration system out of the grasp of the money grubbing scams. Not just the jobbing contractors, all electricians.

You get your licence via your qualifications and experience as a supervised trainee.

 
Fine, but what about those with related technical abilities who decided to enter the trade via the college route who have worked hard for many years and spent many thousands on courses, literature and equipment???

Shall we just foxtrot Oscar and become window cleaners? 

Not sure the certsure  group will be happy with the loss of revenue either!

 
Perhaps we should take  different tack, support a Licence to Practice provided it effectively forms a 'closed shop' so we can charge like plumbers???
I know a plumber here who charges £30 an hour for water work, and £60 an hour for gas work, to reflect the cost and effort the be gas safe registered.

 
Fine, but what about those with related technical abilities who decided to enter the trade via the college route who have worked hard for many years and spent many thousands on courses, literature and equipment???
 I would class myself in this group. My apprenticeship was electro-mechanical. After 20 years in industry, I used update courses to convert to being an electrician, and a lot of reading...

 
In other countries you must be licensed to work, in Australia I think it is, if you go in from abroad, then to work as a tradesman you first have to do a course to bring you up to speed on their rules and regs, then you must work under the supervision of another licensed contractor for a period of a year,after this he then effectively signs you off as competent to work alone.

That would be a good start, stop foreigners who have no idea coming to the UK and just starting up,however I think as many others do that any licence to practice should be granted on experience and qualifications, not solely on how much you are willing to pay. I remember years ago being annoyed that someone such as myself, with many years of experience was suddenly deemed not qualified to carry out domestic work, yet a kitchen fitter, with little or no electrical experience could, after spending a few quid on a short course obtain a piece of paper deeming him 'qualified' to carry out domestic work!

If we look at the way the industry has gone in recent years it has indeed been hijacked by the scams and turned into a cash cow! There are the seemingly endless changes/updates to the regs, all requiring the purchase of new books, schemes that need to be joined to be able to carry out certain work, even the meter manufacturers have jumped on the bandwagon.

I remember my first MFT, it gave test results as a measured value, loop values were given in ohms, as were insulation resistance values, trip times were given in milliseconds, it was up to you as the operator to decide if the values given were within acceptable limits.

Later on they started being made with pre programmed values, I had one and you selected a breaker type from a list in the menu, did the test and as well as giving you a measured value, it also displayed the words 'pass' or 'fail'. later meters also had a tick or a cross.

At one electricians event I was treated to a demonstration of the 'latest 17th edition compliant' tester, I was curious as to what the difference was between this one and my trusty Metrel, apart from the fact that this would involve me having to part with almost a thousand of my hard earned pounds! "ah yes" said the salesman" you see with earlier meters they just gave a reading, often with a tick or cross, some said pass or fail", I listened intently, waiting to hear what wonderous new technology was about to be revealed to me, " this one however not only displays a measured value, it also states pass or fail, displays a tick or cross, and it shows a red or green light to indicate if the reading is correct"

I was absolutely amazed, I think my 9 year old grandson could have used it,it took absolutely no skill whatsoever.

We've seen loop values changed and done away with, remember when there were 2 sets,one for each of the disconnection times?, Done away with for the hard of thinking perhaps. we've seen RCD's go from a form of secondary protection to being used as primary protection, again to make it easier for the less skilled. No the industry has definitely gone down hill, in recent years.

 
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