Earthing Metallic Back Boxes In Houses

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Remember it's a fault!!!!! And if back box is not earthed !!! And we follow all SAFE ISOLATION PROCEDURES and get a belt/electric shock as remember it's a fault, back boxes not earthed regardless of weather we would or wouldn't get shock if it was or not, if. Back boxes are not earthed then we have not done everything practicable within our power to reduce electic shock!!!!

If we follow your ideology to the next step.....

Lets consider light bulbs....

A fault.. "lamp has blown".....

Somehow the skilled / unskilled / competent / DIY has got to fix the fault and put a new lamp in....

How do we protect him/her from getting an accidental electric shock if they stick their fingers inside the lamp holder...

And they have been daft enough not to isolate the supply...

Two completely bare exposed terminals..  One live one neutral....

unprotected...

exposed...

big enough to poke a finger in...

uninsulated live part..

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Should I refuse to fit 230v light fittings and only supply battery camping lanterns otherwise..

I could be accused of not doing everything practicable within my power to reduce electic shock!!!!

opcorn

 

[kerching]

When changing a lamp i always get the DNO to do a temp Disconnect in the road for me...better to be safe than sorry

Just advocating

 

[Sharpend]

So all this about power cuts becoming more common is nothing to do with production it's because you've seen an upturn in business!!

 

[Blue Duck]

When changing a lamp i always get the DNO to do a temp Disconnect in the road for me...better to be safe than sorry

Just advocating

That them road fuses the guy on watchdog was on about? Or do you get them to take out a phase at the feeder pillar?

:innocent

 

[kerching]

That them road fuses the guy on watchdog was on about? Or do you get them to take out a phase at the feeder pillar?

:innocent

I have my own link box....quick call and they will come and drop a leg !

If i need to change a fuse then they shut down the complete 11kV ring for me....far safer

Just getting a bit silly now, don't you think...

 

[Blue Duck]

Agreed.

:C

 

[ProDave]

If we follow your ideology to the next step.....

Lets consider light bulbs....

A fault.. "lamp has blown".....

Somehow the skilled / unskilled / competent / DIY has got to fix the fault and put a new lamp in....

How do we protect him/her from getting an accidental electric shock if they stick their fingers inside the lamp holder...

And they have been daft enough not to isolate the supply...

Two completely bare exposed terminals..  One live one neutral....

unprotected...

exposed...

big enough to poke a finger in...

uninsulated live part..

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Should I refuse to fit 230v light fittings and only supply battery camping lanterns otherwise..

I could be accused of not doing everything practicable within my power to reduce electic shock!!!!

opcorn

You say that in jest.

BUT I am honestly surprised we are still allowed to fit BC and ES lamp holders with their exposed terminals.

I really would have thought by now an alternative would have been introduced along the lines of the the shrouded GU10 pins.

Funny old world how we get all excited about some theoretical "danger" yet do sod all to remove light fittings that are present in every house in the country, that allow you to simply remove the lamp and put your finger on live terminals.

All it would take is something useful in the next amendment, but instead they are more worried about theoretical CU fires.

 

[Sharpend]

Is it the hager or deta pendant that has shielded pins can't be access without the lamp in. Makes much more sense.

 

[kerching]

Is it the hager or deta pendant that has shielded pins can't be access without the lamp in. Makes much more sense.

I concur with my esteemed colleague....think they were originally called Ashley Safety Shield I think

Confession time.......in over 40 years in "the job" i have NEVER fitted/used an MK lampholder!

Just saying

 

[Blue Duck]

Find em on some housing association stock but mostly face height pll's now :|

 

[ProDave]

Perhaps the "issue" is everybody KNOWS you will get a nasty shock if you stick your finger in a light socket, so you just don't do it, so no "problem"

But something that people have tried very hard to make "safe" people assume IS safe, so they take no precautions and then wonder who to blame when they get a shock when they start meddling with something.

It's a bit like last years visit down under when I noticed it's normal to have a socket right next to a shower, and in a hotel we stayed at a hair dryer provided with a nice long curly flex so it would reach into the shower if you wanted to.  We of course would all kill ourselves if someone fitted a hairdryer like that here, but the Australians simply say nobody is that bloody stupid.

And a further comparison is the drivers air bag. there's a school of thought that if you replaced the drivers air bag with a spike in the middle of the steering wheel, that people just might drive a little more safely and avoid the accident in the first place.

 

[Sidewinder]

There are many manufacturers supplying safety BC lamp holders now, but they have the same BS No. as the non safety ones IIRC.

I'll have to stick my fingers in one and find out.

 

[ProDave]

There are many manufacturers supplying safety BC lamp holders now, but they have the same BS No. as the non safety ones IIRC.

I'll have to stick my fingers in one and find out.

Please ensure you video the results and post on you tube.

 

[kerching]

Please ensure you video the results and YOUR NEXT OF KIN post on you tube.

 

[brian2010]

Isolate the supply doesn't nes mean it's isolated fault is a fault some 1 gets shock without isolating back box regardless of weather it does anything and some1 gets shock, then without earthing back box OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVVE NOT DONE EVERYTHING PRACTIABLE WITHIN YOUR POWER TO REDUCE THE PERSON COMPETENT OR NOT INVESTIGATING, on our side NOT DNO SIDE!!!! Come on think about IT!!!!!!

 

[pewter]

Perhaps radiators should be bonded also... :innocent

 

[NozSpark]

Where's this "fault" coming from?

I thought that the circuit was isolated?

 

[Blue Duck]

Nextdoor... they have had all their rads bonded and they have a faulty kettle and rewireables

:slap

 

[Sharpend]

Perhaps there's another circuit running through the back box!!

Perhaps he's alluding to a damaged cable on two circuits touching????

 

[ProDave]

Where's this "fault" coming from?

I thought that the circuit was isolated?

Wired to next doors ring main.

Seriously when you "isolate" (by for instance turning off that big red thing labelled as "main switch") DO "test for dead"  I found a wrongly configured CU once that only switched off the neutral to half the circuits when the main switch was off, (L to the RCD side was taken from the input terminals of the main switch)