Just interested to know how others would approach this. Done EICR today am coding it C2 as ring isn't complete and another 2.5 radial supplying sockets is spured out of this same 30amp BS1361 fuse. Other observations C3 recommendations is due to lack of additional protection to bathroom circuits (lighting, shower) and flat sockets. He seems to be bit of a penny pincher and although will strongly advise he could do with board change. One possibility i see of bringing it upto to C3 is fault finding on ring and connecting the other cable into a unused 15amp fuse. Question is, is this advisable as I know my responsibilitys as practicing spark is to install to current regs. But as this is an existing installation could a case be made for it. Cheers
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If I ever question myself with any coding during an EICR I always refer back to the ESC Best Practice Guide 4
https://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/media/2149/bpg4-1.pdf
It sounds like you maybe should be giving it a C2 for lack of RCD protection
Then quote for any remedial works if asked to (just hourly rate for anything thats FI)... from then on it's up to them as to how they want to proceed
https://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/media/2149/bpg4-1.pdf
It sounds like you maybe should be giving it a C2 for lack of RCD protection
Then quote for any remedial works if asked to (just hourly rate for anything thats FI)... from then on it's up to them as to how they want to proceed
All you do is report on what you find .
You carry out the EICR to the latest Regs so in most cases there,s stuff that doesn't comply with , in this case , the 18th edition . However it was the Bees- Knees in it's day so in my opinion you code it as needing improvement .
What you are not is a constable in the Electric Police Force, just give 'em the report , they are in charge of the installation , its up them whether they act upon it .
Did you mean a 3036 fuse ? .
You carry out the EICR to the latest Regs so in most cases there,s stuff that doesn't comply with , in this case , the 18th edition . However it was the Bees- Knees in it's day so in my opinion you code it as needing improvement .
What you are not is a constable in the Electric Police Force, just give 'em the report , they are in charge of the installation , its up them whether they act upon it .
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The best approach to EICR's is do job, submit report and invoice - get paid.
If they ask you to quote for remedials - all well and good, but if you don't hear from the customer again after issuing a "not satisfactory" report - don't lose any sleep over it.
If they ask you to quote for remedials - all well and good, but if you don't hear from the customer again after issuing a "not satisfactory" report - don't lose any sleep over it.
Cheers Nospark. Will defo be a C2. Thanks for link I find Napits codebreakers decent guide as well
Cheers Evans. No they are BS1361 cartridge fuses. Hear you about considering regs was installed to, more in consideration to lack of rcd protection. Am right in coding both C2 for incomplete ring and 2.5 on 30amp?
Yes.
Have you downloaded and read the Best Practice Guide No 4?
I would recommend you do that AND point customers at it to if they ask. Its the only publication I'm aware of that which gives sensible examples of coding (the NAPIT guide isn't as clear nor is freely accessible for customers).
Not sure you can do that unless its stated on your quote / estimate
The ONLY time I did that, I didn't trust the client to pay me.
To be honest as yet I have been referring to codebreakers. Will give it a good read and yeah sounds like will be helpful in giving customers reference point.
Just summing up on EICR,s .
We are now looking at big differences between installations from :--
1) The old wooden boards with glass fronts , rubber cable & Death Wish fuses , earthing connected to the lead water pipe , not many left now .
2) The typical 1960,s 6way Wylex rewirables Red & Black cable , no bonding . Often no incoming earth.
3) The '70s early MCBs , 6mm bonding .
4) RCDs to outside plugs only & showers & 10mm bonding.
5) Split - load boards with RCD to all plugs / shower only .
6) Dual RCD & RCBO boards to cover buried cable etc . basically everything
7) 18th stuff with all the add - ons .
We are now looking at big differences between installations from :--
1) The old wooden boards with glass fronts , rubber cable & Death Wish fuses , earthing connected to the lead water pipe , not many left now .
2) The typical 1960,s 6way Wylex rewirables Red & Black cable , no bonding . Often no incoming earth.
3) The '70s early MCBs , 6mm bonding .
4) RCDs to outside plugs only & showers & 10mm bonding.
5) Split - load boards with RCD to all plugs / shower only .
6) Dual RCD & RCBO boards to cover buried cable etc . basically everything
7) 18th stuff with all the add - ons .
8. Lighting circuits without cpcs
So in summary it's like stepping on egg shells. Sure there are people going around coding against the 18th edition but that would could easily get unsatisfactory on about 90% of all installations.
Then there are interpretations of the regs when changing fuseboards .... Do you refuse a board change if the lights don't have a cpc or take it on and RCD everything which WILL make the installation safer.
You have to remember we are not the electrical police and our duty is to make installations safer.
Let the debate continue
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I would reword that a bit and say 'our duty is to ensure all work we are involved in will 'Fail-Safe'. With all things electrical, (Installation, additions & alterations, fault finding or inspection & testing), its possible to forget the fundamental principal to protect people, property and livestock. Especially with EICR,s you can get sucked into the black hole of complying with the current edition of BS7671. When deciding if there is an immediate or potential danger, consider if you have gathered enough evidence from your inspection and testing, to confirm that the circuits have suitable protective devices to meet the disconnection times required by BS7671. If its a brand new install, or inspecting a old job, providing the power can be disconnected fast enough in the event of a fault, then you will not be endangering people, property or livestock. i.e. if something is designed and tested to fail safe, there can be no immediate danger as it fails safe!
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Found s new one today.
2 way switching. Spark did not have any 3core & earth So a 2core & earth and a single core (conduit cable) taped to the side of it for it's entire length.
2 way switching. Spark did not have any 3core & earth So a 2core & earth and a single core (conduit cable) taped to the side of it for it's entire length.
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Better than using the earth as a strapper I suppose.
