Eicr Help

[Dairyspark]

Hi everyone,

I've been asked to do an condition report on a flat before it gets rented out, this will be the first time I've done one so be easy with me lol, went and seen the place tonig and at first glance I noticed they had a rewireable fuse board, am I right in saying that as this is a rented property it has to comply with current standards so would need a new board fitted?

Thanks for any help

Bobby.

 

[Murdoch]

Hi everyone,

I've been asked to do an condition report on a flat before it gets rented out, this will be the first time I've done one so be easy with me lol, went and seen the place tonig and at first glance I noticed they had a rewireable fuse board, am I right in saying that as this is a rented property it has to comply with current standards so would need a new board fitted?

Thanks for any help

Bobby.

What makes you think that?

 

[Essex1]

It depends on what the client wants. The landlord we work for instruct us to test and bring up to current standards. This is a very clear instruction. If the customer is asking you to test and report back findings then you would normally test to the current standards. What I tend to do is code anything that is not up to current standards and is still safe for use as a C3. A BS3036 board does not automatically warrant any code at all.

 

[Dairyspark]

I have no idea lol, I'm positive I was told that once, and yes I know, don't believe everything your told haha, my main reason for asking this is would the sockets not need rcd protection and he is thinking of fitting an electric shower, which would also need an RCD?

 

[Essex1]

You need to apply the required correction factor to BS3036 fuses and then work out if the OCPD is the correct one for that calculation.

No RCD protection for sockets has nothing to do with the distribution board.

 

[Murdoch]

I have no idea lol, I'm positive I was told that once, and yes I know, don't believe everything your told haha, my main reason for asking this is would the sockets not need rcd protection and he is thinking of fitting an electric shower, which would also need an RCD?

Best you go to the electrical safety council website and download the leaflet about condition reports - its full of really useful stuff - AND you can send it to clients as and when required.

 

[Dairyspark]

I've worded this wrong then haha, as it has no rcd protection, would this need to be fitted externally?

 

[NozSpark]

EICRs can be a bit weird when you're not used to doing them..

While you test the installation to the current regs you have to take account when it was installed, I'd it was installed to the standards at the time and if there's any deterioration.

So, if you have a properly installed 3036 CU and the circuits are in good condition then it should receive a "satisfactory",,, however you can recommend (c3) anything that doesn't comply with the current regs.

Watch out for a 2.5/1.0mm ring final on a 30A 3036,,,, it doesn't comply

 

[Essex1]

I've worded this wrong then haha, as it has no rcd protection, would this need to be fitted externally?

I dunno. You are testing it mate. You can only report on what you find.

 

[ProDave]

It's a shame they removed the old C4

 

[Essex1]

EICRs can be a bit weird when you're not used to doing them..

While you test the installation to the current regs you have to take account when it was installed, I'd it was installed to the standards at the time and if there's any deterioration.

So, if you have a properly installed 3036 CU and the circuits are in good condition then it should receive a "satisfactory",,, however you can recommend (c3) anything that doesn't comply with the current regs.

Watch out for a 2.5/1.0mm ring final on a 30A 3036,,,, it doesn't comply

It is a bit misleading to say it warrants a satisfactory comment. The appropriate correction factor should be applied to see if the correct OCPD has been chosen.

 

[NozSpark]

I did say that if it's installed correctly,,, IMHO that would include the design of the circuits

 

[Doc Hudson]

Hi everyone,

I've been asked to do an condition report on a flat before it gets rented out, this will be the first time I've done one so be easy with me lol, went and seen the place tonig and at first glance I noticed they had a rewireable fuse board, am I right in saying that as this is a rented property it has to comply with current standards so would need a new board fitted?

Thanks for any help

Bobby.

Current wiring regulations still have the tables for BS3036 rewirable fuses, as Noz says you will need to see if the circuit characteristics are appropriate for satisfactory operation to meet the max permissible disconnection times. You are only inspecting what is there at the moment, not what someone says they propose to install later.

Doc H.

 

[Phoenix]

One might in the summary, make the suggestion that due to the fact that the client is considering an electric shower*, the current lack of RCD protection to the socket outlets and the fact that an MCB based unit would eliminate the risk of incorrect fusewire being fitted. That a new unit is advisable.

*Remember of course that many re-wireable boards has a max of 30A per fuseway.

Look out for missing "spark cover" as I call it on wylex standard boards... its often missing and is code-able. The IP rating is compromised with it missing, this is certainly true on the older metal units, and the rewire-able fuses have a small opening that is not IP4x on top surface even if newer, or non metallic board. The other issue... if re-wire fuses are fitted.... that hole on the top, there is one on the base as well...hot particles are ejected which are a fire risk... there is a test defined in BS5486 which the board would failed if the cover is omitted... the covers were supplied for a reason!