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Modfather,

I am doing fine, at the moment, and my business is growing, and will hopefully continue, because, I am one of the few with a different skill set, for the last 2 days I have been servicing and repairing machinery in a toolroom for an extrusion company, more mechanical than electrical and machine tool fitting is a different ball game.

Tomorrow I am visiting a potential medical installation with the local health trust and the property owner, one of the local councils to give my advice on how this should be implemented between the 3 organisations, this is on a non-chargeable consultancy basis.

Next week I am servicing more machine tools in both a public organisation (HMP) & private sector companies, a "portable cabin company", I am looking into an upgrade/retrofit on Siemens servo drives for a packaging machine company, with no competition, a retrofit for an Automotive OEM in mainland Europe, and several LEV jobs for public sector organisations and private sector companies.

I also have a rebuild on a machine tool for a school going on and I am part of a formal H&S inspection following a LTI and a RIDDOR reportable incident.

My company is registered as a Domestic Installer with the NICEIC, we get NO work from that, we don't push it, but, being VAT Reg'd pretty much puts us out of the market, if we were not VAT reg'd then we would not get a look in at the work we do.

Now whilst I have given a list of kit and "stuff" for the domestic works to expand to the stuff that I am currently doing, you can add another £5k pa on your overheads at least for insurance, and calibrations of other kit, possibly more, then add the professional institution membership fees, then add the costs of CPD, then add the additional sales overhead, then add the safety scheme overheads, then add the RA & MS costs, then add the cost of sales, then add on the additional specialist test equipment and tools, and the things like software that costs around £4k just to do one job, then add on the cost of a workshop, machine tools, welding equipment, tooling for the machine tools, etc. etc.

Then add on the Professional Indemnity Insurance, and, all of sudden it becomes SERIOUS money.

Yes I have more qualifications than a domestic electrician, but I spent over 20 years getting qualified all the way to level 5, so it is a little more complex than getting a domestic qualification if you want to get the big bucks!

 
I get the feeling from your replies that you think that we are trying to keep the trade a closed shop... I can assure you we aren't. ...

I joined this trade 10 years ago, I'm 43 now so you can see that there's a gap.. during that time I was an instrument technician, repairing avionic equipment for the MOD. I left that secure, reasonably well paid job because I felt that I wouldnt have seen it out to my pension; I decided to jump while I was still young enough to get into something else... I really wish I hadnt

But then again this job is great... no security, no holiday pay, no sick pay and no pay rise for the last however long...... I think I need to increase my rates, but if I do that then I wont win many jobs
I appreciate that - I just feel like I have walked into the Stretford End wearing a Liverpool shirt..

 
Well I started at 16, I'm now 58, so been doing it all my life, sadley the body is now starting to fail, but I've slowed down a lot.

The trades been good to me, went SE 28 years ago and I've worked bloody hard in those years so have a new car every 3 years, got a nice 4 bed with double garage and private drive.

Have a couple of houses I rent also, so when I hang the tools up for good it should be ok.

If I had the choice again, I doubt I would do this, it wrecks the body. What would I do instead, well a kebab van near one of the metchants we use turns over 8k a week, 400% profit.

 
That's a lot of kebabs..

Modfather,

I am doing fine, at the moment, and my business is growing, and will hopefully continue, because, I am one of the few with a different skill set, for the last 2 days I have been servicing and repairing machinery in a toolroom for an extrusion company, more mechanical than electrical and machine tool fitting is a different ball game.

Tomorrow I am visiting a potential medical installation with the local health trust and the property owner, one of the local councils to give my advice on how this should be implemented between the 3 organisations, this is on a non-chargeable consultancy basis.

Next week I am servicing more machine tools in both a public organisation (HMP) & private sector companies, a "portable cabin company", I am looking into an upgrade/retrofit on Siemens servo drives for a packaging machine company, with no competition, a retrofit for an Automotive OEM in mainland Europe, and several LEV jobs for public sector organisations and private sector companies.

I also have a rebuild on a machine tool for a school going on and I am part of a formal H&S inspection following a LTI and a RIDDOR reportable incident.

My company is registered as a Domestic Installer with the NICEIC, we get NO work from that, we don't push it, but, being VAT Reg'd pretty much puts us out of the market, if we were not VAT reg'd then we would not get a look in at the work we do.

Now whilst I have given a list of kit and "stuff" for the domestic works to expand to the stuff that I am currently doing, you can add another £5k pa on your overheads at least for insurance, and calibrations of other kit, possibly more, then add the professional institution membership fees, then add the costs of CPD, then add the additional sales overhead, then add the safety scheme overheads, then add the RA & MS costs, then add the cost of sales, then add on the additional specialist test equipment and tools, and the things like software that costs around £4k just to do one job, then add on the cost of a workshop, machine tools, welding equipment, tooling for the machine tools, etc. etc.

Then add on the Professional Indemnity Insurance, and, all of sudden it becomes SERIOUS money.

Yes I have more qualifications than a domestic electrician, but I spent over 20 years getting qualified all the way to level 5, so it is a little more complex than getting a domestic qualification if you want to get the big bucks!
Interesting read - thanks. Sounds like you have worked really hard at it and built up a great business.

 
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Not a "great business", but it did take an apprenticeship, HNC, BSc., MEng, and several other academic and vocational qualifications to get where I am.

In fact I have spent more time in formal learning than a medical consultant to get where I am.

Plus, I have probably actually spent about the same time in mentored training as a medical consultant also.

It is just that I have not gone to quite the same academic level, only just mind, plus a medical Dr. does not require the same level of study as a Dr. in Engineering.

My biggest disappointment is that I never got to do my PhD, I would have loved to have, but the same thing, I had a family to feed, and a mortgage to pay, so I had to settle for a Masters, as the culmination of my academic studies, plus, I have not yet managed to get Chartered status, though, that may come, I have few working years left yet.

There is a LOT of debate in academic circles, unofficial mind, a Medical Doctorate is fundamentally two Bachelors degrees simultaneously.

A PhD is a LOT more demanding.

Thus a PhD can be considered a REAL Doctorate, where as MD is a bit less...

Now doing a 5WW course, with no experience is NOT going to get you into such things.

It is now basically 30 years since I left school @ 16.

There has been less than 10 years of this where I have not done a formal training course at some point during the year.

What I am TRYING to say is that a short re-training course, as seems to have been sold to you will NOT make you £100k pa unless you have something serious up your sleeve in the way of additional skills.

Please remember that the likes of myself came out of a 4 year training period, with real experience also, if you do a short course, you come out with the training and NO work experience in the relevant field.

Now, would I employ you after a short course, NO is the polite answer.

Sorry.

As Noz said, it it not that we are being protectionist, the fact is the trade at the domestic entry level is goosed, and is based on price only.

That is a market to bankruptcy.

IF you want a serious standard of living as a spark then if you are a sole trader then you need to be VAT reg'd to be hitting the right sort of values of income to make good money.

The current threshold is £81k, now by the time you take ALL your overheads into account, tax, etc. you will only be looking at a %age of that, so, that will be dependent upon how you run your business and how honest you are, what you insure yourself to do etc. etc.

Now, if you do work that you are not insured to do and you are a sole trader and it goes wrong, then you can loose everything, including your liberty, and you could easily end up in one of the places I am working at next week, that is one of Her Majesties Hotels IYKWIM. 

Running a business where you have the ability to kill people is not that simple.

 
Bookmarked this page to come back to when I need to! Some great stuff in there

I have been running a business for the last 15 years which I can keep going and know all about book-keeping - so there are skills I'll be able to transfer over. And I'll be able to keep the old business going as I can work flexible hours. 

I would never be a sole trader - being a Ltd Company has seen me alright over the years. 

 
If I had the choice again, I doubt I would do this, it wrecks the body. What would I do instead, well a kebab van near one of the metchants we use turns over 8k a week, 400% profit.

That can even fail. A mate of mine who was a handyman/builder gave it all up and bought a burger van in the local Wickes car park as the guy was retiring and there were always people lining up. Soon after, the recession started, The builders using Wickes really slowed down except the latest influx of Eastern Europeans who never bought anything off him (he even tried Polish sausage) and he had to sell up. He lost about £45K & earned nothing for a year.

 
Slips you should have told him burgers are old hat its kebabs they want working 6pm to 6am, earning a fortune, mind you he would probably be lynched by the people who normally run these places if you know what I mean :)

 
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