For those who like to be ahead?

[Sharpend]

So it begs the question why introduce something that the yanks use already but still have 13% of fires caused by electrics???

surely if these things were any good then they'd cut supply prior to ignition? 

Oh well time to get some shares in mfrs!!!

just a thought with all these additional protective devices will there be any room for the original protective devices???

 

[Andy™]

does this mean we can use explosive CU's again in 2018?

 

[Tony S]

No as they mount in the CU but you’ll need to fit larger CU’s as they take up two spaces. The manufacturers win again.

The latest wiz bang idea is to fit units after the AFDD to filter out some arc signatures, anyone spot a fundamental flaw in that?

 

[Andy™]

:slap

more money for the manufacturers who bride IET into making rules that use their equipment...

 

[Tony S]

Have a read for yourselves http://combinationafci.com/resources/doc_ieee_combination_afci.pdf

AFCI = AFDD

GFCI = RCD

 

[Murdoch]

:slap

more money for the manufacturers who bride IET into making rules that use their equipment...

A bit like the lobbyists who work on behalf of the multi nationals in Brussels to influence the laws made by the EU then!

 

[Evans Electric]

I started to read the Sharpie's  link to the IET thing and after the first paragraph it dawned on me that after all these years in the trade ...I just can't be bothered anymore . :C

Obsessions with changing stuff for the sake of it ,  obsessions with smart meters or  fuseboards we've been fitting for the last 50 years suddenly becoming fire risks,

just Part Pee,s me off TBH  .

What about tackling something worthwhile like failing DNO earthing systems where the house owner is unaware until they employ a Sparky for something. 

 

[Sharpend]

I started to read the Sharpie's  link to the IET thing and after the first paragraph it dawned on me that after all these years in the trade ...I just can't be bothered anymore . :C

Obsessions with changing stuff for the sake of it ,  obsessions with smart meters or  fuseboards we've been fitting for the last 50 years suddenly becoming fire risks,

just Part Pee,s me off TBH  .

What about tackling something worthwhile like failing DNO earthing systems where the house owner is unaware until they employ a Sparky for something. 

Sorry Deke but keep up with modern progression. Your proposal COSTS money not MAKES money. Safety is only relevant to those that have a note pad in hand. 

 

[Evans Electric]

I do keep up with modern progression !!! :C   Only yesterday I was wiring a three phase supply  Red , Yellow, Blue  & Bk  of course & thinking  " I must start changing to those new colours soon ....these drainpipe trousers are feeling a bit tight .......   havn't heard any new records from Buddy Holly for a while  ...... did you know Peggy Sue got married not long ago ?   "        And I don't keep up , Huh!! I'm real cool man.   Dig that beat .   Roll over Beethoven tell Tchaikovsky the News ...lets Twist Again like we Did last Summer ...Hey Mr Tambourine Man play a song for me .....yeah  up wiv the kidz  is where I'm at .

 

[binky]

drainpipes are back in fashion, along with beards.

 

[Sharpend]

drainpipes are back in fashion, along with beards.

And I've got the Beatles on in the van. 

Time warp anybody? 

 

[Doc Hudson]

And I've got the Beatles on in the van. 

Time warp anybody? 

Time warp?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/tkplPbd2f60?feature=oembed



Doc H.

 

[Doc Hudson]

I do keep up with modern progression !!! :C   Only yesterday I was wiring a three phase supply  Red , Yellow, Blue  & Bk  of course & thinking  " I must start changing to those new colours soon ....these drainpipe trousers are feeling a bit tight .......   havn't heard any new records from Buddy Holly for a while  ...... did you know Peggy Sue got married not long ago ?   "        And I don't keep up , Huh!! I'm real cool man.   Dig that beat .   Roll over Beethoven tell Tchaikovsky the News ...lets Twist Again like we Did last Summer ...Hey Mr Tambourine Man play a song for me .....yeah  up wiv the kidz  is where I'm at .

Just in case you hadn't noticed yet Dylan went electric by the way.

Doc H

 

[Evans Electric]

I did notice Doc, I think he did it for the second half of the Newport Folk Festival   .......upset a few folk purists I'm afraid .

Just the other week wasn't it ?     1965  Eh!    Ohh  seems like just the other week. :C

 You got me started now Doc....just gotta go for a few bars of Blowing in the Wind .

 

[Blue Duck]

Just out of interest... ( I've not yet read the link but have read the schneider blurb) I was installing a NEFF oven the other day and the MI's insisted on a DP switch with a 3mm contact gap, I thought that is quite a gap... its only a 12.5 amp load and its got me thinking... When you get an arc from a light switch or socket would the AFDD trip? or would it only be L to N arcing on a double pole device??

Just pondering...

 

[Sidewinder]

Series & or parallel arcing.

So any inductive loads will encourage series arcing, thus causing the AFDD to operate.

 

[Blue Duck]

So when I go to old Dorris and change her wooden fusebox for a fireproof lol anti arching consumer unit and she goes to plug in the hoover into an old MK socket with pitted contacts and the AFDD trips she wont be wrong when she says: It wasn't like that til you turned up!

:slap

 

[Sidewinder]

Yep!

Also you won't have any really easy method of diagnosing the fault.

 

[Tony S]

So when I go to old Dorris and change her wooden fusebox for a fireproof lol anti arching consumer unit and she goes to plug in the hoover into an old MK socket with pitted contacts and the AFDD trips she wont be wrong when she says: It wasn't like that til you turned up!

:slap

If you come up with a good excuse for the hoover tripping the AFDD I’ll pass it on to the septics, they’ve run out of ideas.

 

[Sidewinder]

Ohh,

Look at this:

https://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/AFCI-HTML/HTML/AFCI_-_Why_I_Have_a_Problem_With_It~20020801.htm