HMRC's Electricians Tax Safe Plan - Help!

[Sharpend]

No , sorry , your tea making needs to be vastly improved I'm afraid, so the JIB will be reducing you in ranks by two grades.The NICEIC have a handbook out, only

 

[Andy™]

If she had left well alone and got a professional in they would have had an idea where the cables would be routed from experience.

i would say the person who hit the cable is probably now a 'professional', knowing where cables are, from experience....

 

[Sharpend]

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[m4tty]

No , sorry , your tea making needs to be vastly improved I'm afraid, so the JIB will be reducing you in ranks by two grades.The NICEIC have a handbook out, only

 

[batty]

Next they'll be asking the brickies to get part p registered so they can install the cables in the cavity with the required drip loop.If she had left well alone and got a professional in they would have had an idea where the cables would be routed from experience.

I would get the facts right about the case as she thought she had had professionals in I find this a very sad case personally.

MP's daughter electrocuted in botched fitted kitchen - Telegraph

 

[shed69]

Hey as said its only a problem if your not declaring your income and running your business as well as you possibly are capable of doing so.... What's more surely your accountants would advise you if your end of year figures seemed a bit odd!!

Anyway don't worry if your doing things legit.... Like proDave said....

 

[Sharpend]

Having read the report as posted it would seem that her husband fixed the offending item without checking for cables. Although I'm not sure that the cables could have been installed at a depth of 50mm without interfering with the structural qualities of the wall. And again without knowing the length of the fixings used to put up the rack it is difficult to ascertain blame. The report indicates that the cables were routed incorrectly however it reinforces the need to check before drilling which I'm pretty sure are usually written on manufacturers instructions.

 

[Evans Electric]

I would get the facts right about the case as she thought she had had professionals in I find this a very sad case personally.MP's daughter electrocuted in botched fitted kitchen - Telegraph

It is indeed a sad case. There is a reference in the article that puzzles me , and is often the case when poor workmanship is refered to in newspapers, (1) "The cable was not insulated" and (2) "it was only 10mm deep in the wall instead of the recommended 50mm"

Now has my memory played a trick or did the 50mm deep thing come about because of this case and not prior , so would be an inadmissable comment . Every flush cable in the land is probably 10mm deep.

The cable not being insulated means a certain thing to us electricians and I assume is a mis-quote from the Engineer's report.

 

[Andy™]

It is indeed a sad case. There is a reference in the article that puzzles me , and is often the case when poor workmanship is refered to in newspapers, (1) "The cable was not insulated" and (2) "it was only 10mm deep in the wall instead of the recommended 50mm"Now has my memory played a trick or did the 50mm deep thing come about because of this case and not prior , so would be an inadmissable comment . Every flush cable in the land is probably 10mm deep.

The cable not being insulated means a certain thing to us electricians and I assume is a mis-quote from the Engineer's report.

by the sounds of it, the cable was not in a recognised zone, therefore it should have been at least 50mm deep, or in conduit etc

 

[Evans Electric]

Take your point Andy but when did the 50mm deep reg come in, wasn't it after this case so it shouldn't be quoted in context with it .

It wouldn't have an RCD because that was prompted by this case also ,wasn't it ?

And as we have often said on here , the Safe Zones are really only known to electricians and about 1% of other trades.

 

[shed69]

It is indeed a sad case. There is a reference in the article that puzzles me , and is often the case when poor workmanship is refered to in newspapers, (1) "The cable was not insulated" and (2) "it was only 10mm deep in the wall instead of the recommended 50mm"Now has my memory played a trick or did the 50mm deep thing come about because of this case and not prior , so would be an inadmissable comment . Every flush cable in the land is probably 10mm deep.

The cable not being insulated means a certain thing to us electricians and I assume is a mis-quote from the Engineer's report.

I had exactly the same thoughts Evans...... Think it's just bad reporting of information... Someone took notes who passed on to someone who passed on to typist who typed them editor reads it and hasn't got a clue what it means but it sounds right so I'll send it to press!!!!

 

[batty]

My thoughts are with the family especially if its true the husband installed the rack and the poor children losing there mother not sure if they will ever get over that.

 

[Evans Electric]

Battery, things such as this tend to focus the mind.

Imagine the phone call :- " Hello is that the electrician......its about that socket you fitted this morning...my wife has received a fatal electric shock from it this afternoon......... Hello!.. Hello!....are you still there?

 

[M107]

Could they not just demand a list of jobs from the scheme providers set against the person being investigated .They can even look on here to see who,s working.

Just received the letter myself , called " Electricians Tax Safe Plan"

It says 10 plumbers have been arrested across the UK .

Its worded to scare any tax dodgers into action by the look of it.

Received my invite today.............full of subtle scare wordings.

They need to take a closer look at these child care/nursery people............I know of a couple of women that take mostly cash & only cheques go through the books (so they are well under the tax threshold) both get massive family tax credit & any other payments they can claim.

They look after each others charges when one or the other is on holiday & it's all cash, this way they can still claim for allowances as the kids are still being cared for so far as the authorities are aware.

They claim free milk & subsidised food, supposed to be for the children under their care but is used by the family.

both have conervatories paid for by child care grants, they claim for all sorts in /around the home such as play equipment in the garden & decor in the house (can only be for rooms used for child care apparently)...

What gets my goat though is one of them has for the past four years had 3 all inclusive holidays a year to Turkey...wish I could afford 3 trips abroad a year.

 

[ProDave]

Yes my invitation to the party arrived today.

What IS interesting when you read the scare tactics thoroughly, is when they did the same with plumbers last year, they referred just 30 cases for criminal investigation and made just 10 arrests. And shock horror, in ONE case they found someone falsely claiming tax credits.

They did however get

 

[Evans Electric]

Received my invite today.............full of subtle scare wordings.They need to take a closer look at these child care/nursery people............I know of a couple of women that take mostly cash & only cheques go through the books (so they are well under the tax threshold) both get massive family tax credit & any other payments they can claim.

They look after each others charges when one or the other is on holiday & it's all cash, this way they can still claim for allowances as the kids are still being cared for so far as the authorities are aware.

They claim free milk & subsidised food, supposed to be for the children under their care but is used by the family.

both have conervatories paid for by child care grants, they claim for all sorts in /around the home such as play equipment in the garden & decor in the house (can only be for rooms used for child care apparently)...

What gets my goat though is one of them has for the past four years had 3 all inclusive holidays a year to Turkey...wish I could afford 3 trips abroad a year.

Well thats Britain in 2012. Multiply that by 1000s

 

[sellers]

if they did a simple check on their computers they would see that I along with probably 95% of the other tradesmen are already declairing their earning, probably saving them the 4million in stamps. Surely if they have your details and know you are an electrician, you have already had some contact with them regarding your earnings.

 

[Evans Electric]

Hadn't thought of it that way, as you say , they can already see your tax record as they have your address.

They won't know where the dodgers are.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

It is indeed a sad case. There is a reference in the article that puzzles me , and is often the case when poor workmanship is refered to in newspapers, (1) "The cable was not insulated" and (2) "it was only 10mm deep in the wall instead of the recommended 50mm"Now has my memory played a trick or did the 50mm deep thing come about because of this case and not prior , so would be an inadmissable comment . Every flush cable in the land is probably 10mm deep.

The cable not being insulated means a certain thing to us electricians and I assume is a mis-quote from the Engineer's report.

Your memory is playing tricks.. Deke..

either that or its just another case of professional electricians not knowing their own trade very well...

:_|

The accident occurred in 2004...

and the requirement for safe zone usage or a depth of 50mm or greater has been around well before that..

reg 522-06-06 was certainly on page 84 of the yellow book 1992..

which is a good 12years before hand



:C

 

[ProDave]

There's only one thing that concerns me about this "safe tax plan"

That is, as many forum members will know, 9 years ago I made a concious life change and moved out of the rat race down south and out of higher rate tax full time employment. I moved to the Highlands, built my own house and started as self employed.

Now I no longer have a mortgage, and indeed have savings, our cost of living is substantially lower. So the concious decision was I only want to work part time to earn just enough to live on. I no longer wanted to be a 40 hour per week 48 weeks per year wage slave.

When you add in we have two rental properties (all declared to HMRC) it turns out I don't need to earn very much at all to top up the rental income to enough to live on.

So what I'm getting at, is because I only work part time, I must be one of the lowest paid electricians in the country. I do hope HMRC don't pick up on that and investigate me, on the (wrong) assumption that if my earnings are that low, I must be hiding some of my income.