Huge Differences Between Young & Old . !

[Evans Electric]

Just had to walk out from "Any Questions "  and escape to the office .

On solving the European immigration crisis & Britain in particular,  the youngsters seem to want to allow all & sundry into Britain , presumably forever .

Older people however think we have taken enough .

And amazingly it has been noticed at last, that many of the Calais brigade are not actually families fleeing Syria but young, fit males from who knows where.

 

[binky]

the young don't pay much tax LOL. You have to remember the young have an international mindset due to interaction on t'internet

 

[Lurch]

I'm either bucking the trend or am now "old". Hopefully it is the former.

 

[pewter]

I think everyone should be allowed to just go any where ever they like.

Uk might fill up with people happy to slave away in rubbish jobs, paying tax and spending a fortune on over priced housing and countless other consumer rubbish.

I would like to go somewhere alot warmer with more room where it doesnt cost a fortune to live in a human batteryfarm.

 

[Andy™]

29 must be very now old...

 

[Evans Electric]

I'm either bucking the trend or am now "old". Hopefully it is the former.

You're old Lurchio ...end of !!

 

[Murdoch]

Who says the young in the uk want to allow all and sundry in?

 

[Evans Electric]

That was the ratio on the programme Murdo.

I understand that they are seeing decent   refugee families fleeing the killing fields for their lives, but I think it is now obvious that after taking in the first wave ,,,all the countries affected are closing the doors .

I don't Europe can cope with a country's population  suddenly fleeing in vast numbers .   Take this country ........ there are no houses for them , there are no jobs , (Steelworks closing etc )  .  How do you suddenly  assymilate ,say , the population of a small town . 

And I've heard all the jokes BTW ,,,as in , send them to Birmingham .  They already sent half of Pakistan here thank you. 

And seeing as people in that area seem to hate , white ,  Northern European, Christian ,democratic people with a vengance ...how come they all want to come here and not one of their fellow Islamic counties . ?

 

[Murdoch]

The "young" may change their minds when they realise that the cost of renting or buying a home is so expensive due to the lack of building and the dramatic ride in the population.

I have just been doing some work in a postage stamp sized studio flat for a landlord, just bought for £145k, yours to rent for £750 per month!

Madness

 

[Evans Electric]

It is indeed madness Murdo.

 

[ProDave]

Every one is obsessing about what to do about the refugees.

NOBODY is talking about how to stop the situation that is causing the refugees in the first place.

Didn't Winston Churchill say something like "fight your enemy now, while you CAN"?

It's a terrible situation, nobody wants to see people suffer, but we simply can't take them all in and provide for them while at the same time doing nothing to stop the situation and enable them to at some point go back to their own country.

 

[Murdoch]

Every one is obsessing about what to do about the refugees.

NOBODY is talking about how to stop the situation that is causing the refugees in the first place.

Didn't Winston Churchill say something like "fight your enemy now, while you CAN"?

It's a terrible situation, nobody wants to see people suffer, but we simply can't take them all in and provide for them while at the same time doing nothing to stop the situation and enable them to at some point go back to their own country.

There's plenty of room in Scotland and I am sure Nicola will welcome them with open arms!

 

[ProDave]

There's plenty of room in Scotland and I am sure Nicola will welcome them with open arms!

Well if Nicola wants to personally buy my house that's for sale to house them that's fine by me.

 

[Andy™]

Every one is obsessing about what to do about the refugees.

NOBODY is talking about how to stop the situation that is causing the refugees in the first place.

Didn't Winston Churchill say something like "fight your enemy now, while you CAN"?

It's a terrible situation, nobody wants to see people suffer, but we simply can't take them all in and provide for them while at the same time doing nothing to stop the situation and enable them to at some point go back to their own country.

most of them are fit young men... so how about send them back to their country to join the army and fix their country....

 

[Essex1]

It is a problem with no easy solution. No legitimate refugee should be turned away. We are better than that. For me the Labour governments open door policy to economic migrants has meant we as a country are so full that we cannot do the right thing by these poor people.

This all goes back to Iraq and TB's desicion to go to war based on a lie. Because of this desicion when the 'option' to send troops into Syria was put to a vote Ed Milliband was so frightened of another war desicion that he choose to vote no knowing full well chemical weapons had been used. Labour, the peoples party. Please.

 

[ProDave]

I have always said re the middle east, they don't know or understand democracy.  Those places only function under a dictator wielding a big stick to keep them in control.  We may not like it, and it may not be our model of how to tun a country, and it's certainly not perfect. BUT it was a lot better than the anarchy we have now.

So Iraq and Afghanistan now have "democracy"  Well that has worked well hasn't it.  Their elected government is doing such a good job of running the country and maintaining lawful control of the whole country isn't it?

When Syria started to disintegrate, what did the west want to do?  I would have said what we should have done was to support Assad so he could regain control of his country and restore the status quo.  But no, we want to help the opposition to overthrow that nasty dictator in the misguided belief that once he's gone, a peaceful democratic country will be left in it's place.

Just how stupid are the politicians that make these decisions?

So out of the anarchy and turmoil we now have the Taliban and IS.  If they just got on with fighting each other we could perhaps ignore it, but they don't.

And all the time the ordinary people, are fleeing for their lives.

What a bloody mess, largely of our making.

Thankfully Russia has now stepped in. I hope they will be able to improve the situation.

 

[Essex1]

I think the moment any 'leader' uses chemical weapons then no respectable government could seriously back that person in any way shape or form. Assad should be arrested and sent to The Hague for trial.

The Taliban were already around long before the Iraq war as were IS before the Syria troubles. Democracy has to start somewhere and sometimes it has to start slow and painfully. We are hypocrites as a country if we support Assad to continue his 'presidency '.

 

[binky]

we didn't interfere in Syria because of Russia in the first place... and had you not noticed of all the 'Arab Spring' uprisings how this one ddn't get 'help'.

Personally I think the UN should re-draw all the maps to create countries based on the ethnic populations rather than the arbitary hangover demarcations of the european empires, but that would probably start more wars as the various tribes argued over land and resources. It is the combination of dictators and mixed tribes that causes the hassle, especially as someone(s) promoted the weaker tribes into power as a means of controlling the larger populations,. Now that was a few decades ago and I don't feel responsible as a nation for that. Most countries/tribes have been pretty good at picking fights with the neighbours for centuries, a bit like we didn't start the slave trade and black people were involved in rounding up slaves to sell. I do think we are best off out of the middle east, providing some aid and no more., even though I see merit in removing dictators.

 

[ProDave]

I think the moment any 'leader' uses chemical weapons then no respectable government could seriously back that person in any way shape or form. Assad should be arrested and sent to The Hague for trial.

The Taliban were already around long before the Iraq war as were IS before the Syria troubles. Democracy has to start somewhere and sometimes it has to start slow and painfully. We are hypocrites as a country if we support Assad to continue his 'presidency '.

So what is your answer.

Invading a country and installing democracy has failed. So what's plan C?

 

[Essex1]

it is far too early to say it has failed. You cannot have a country that is a dictatorship on a Friday and a democracy on the Monday. Look at Romania. They were a dictatorship until 1990 and they have only just voted their first real demorcratic leader and they are a European country. It will take a generation for the likes of Iraq and Afganistan to full adjust but you must start somewhere.