Huge Differences Between Young & Old . !

[ProDave]

it is far too early to say it has failed. You cannot have a country that is a dictatorship on a Friday and a democracy on the Monday. Look at Romania. They were a dictatorship until 1990 and they have only just voted their first real demorcratic leader and they are a European country. It will take a generation for the likes of Iraq and Afganistan to full adjust but you must start somewhere.

So for a generation we just accept tribal civil war and just deal with the millions of refugees who have no hope of returning to a stable country for a generation?

good plan, NOT

 

[Essex1]

Typical forum responce. Did I say tha is what we should do? No! Of course not. You support and help to evolve the country. It just does not happen over night. It will take time.

 

[ProDave]

this is a very topical read http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/18/chilcot-pressure-leaked-blair-bush-iraq-memo?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

The document shows a contrast between Blair’s public position in early 2002 that he was not proposing military action and the private opinion of the US that the British prime minister would “follow our lead”.

The White House memo for former president George W Bush says: “On Iraq, Blair will be with us should military operations be necessary. He is convinced on two points; the threat is real; and success against Saddam will yield more regional success."

Well that worked out well then.

Perhaps Tony will finally get his day in the Hague?

 

[binky]

Tony was Tory 'light' and certainly didn't really represent the Labour party as the 'peoples party' - that's Corbyns ground. Current government keeps claiming that ground now, whilst attacking the poorest in ths country, so basically we've had decades of parties that look after the interests of a 'limited few' and big business. Certainly need to stop butt-kissing the USA, that wonderful ally that destroyed our economy and commonwealth power for their own ends (WW2 - world banking in dollars instead of stirling).

Only real answer to Syria is arm the rebel sides properly, (anti-aircraft missles would be a good start) if that's who we want to win????

Someone once said it takes 100years to form a true democracy,- that doesn't mean it isn't worth trying.

Someone also said civilisation is only 3 meals away from anarchy...

 

[Essex1]

Tony was Tory 'light' and certainly didn't really represent the Labour party as the 'peoples party' - that's Corbyns ground. Current government keeps claiming that ground now, whilst attacking the poorest in ths country, so basically we've had decades of parties that look after the interests of a 'limited few' and big business. Certainly need to stop butt-kissing the USA, that wonderful ally that destroyed economy and commonwealth power for their own ends (WW2 - world banking in dollars instead of stirling).

Only real answer to Syria is arm the rebel sides properly, (anti-aircraft missles would be a good start) if that's who we want to win????

Someone once said it takes 100years to form a true democracy,- that doesn't mean it isn't worth trying.

Someone also said civilisation is only 3 meals away from anarchy...

I agree with you 100%.

 

[steptoe]

Apart from the fact corbyn only makes it the peoples party if you are anti-British. 

 

[Essex1]

Oh please don't listen to the BBC.

 

[steptoe]

Nothing to do with the BBC,

Insulting our war veterans,

Supporting terrorist organisations that bomb and kill British citizens and soldiers,

Do some more research on the scum that corbyn is before you try and defend the indefensible. 

 

[Essex1]

Nothing to do with the BBC,

Insulting our war veterans,

Supporting terrorist organisations that bomb and kill British citizens and soldiers,

Do some more research on the scum that corbyn is before you try and defend the indefensible.

I am not defending anyone but will keep an open mind free from media intrusion to make my own decision.

 

[steptoe]

It's a well known fact corbyn and at least one other of his cabinet ministers have openly supported and attended anti-British rallies of terrorist organisations. 

It is nothing to do with any media organisation.

It is also a well known fact he does not respect our war veterans. 

 

[ProDave]

And does not join in singing the national Anthem.

 

[Murdoch]

Oh please don't listen to the BBC.

Hum the BBC - the EU's mouth piece!

Take a look at this HYS

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34564894

and sort it by "highest rated" and you will find my input the most voted for!

 

[Essex1]

Well since WW2 the armed forces have not had the greatest of records. Now I am saying that as the biggest patriot I know. I have personally not seen any footage of JC showing disrespect to any of the armed forces. So he did not sing the national anthem. Am I happy about that? No. Will I let this silly fact manipulate my vote. Of course not. This is what the media do. Hang on to silly things like this that have nothing to do with how the man can run the country.

And does not join in singing the national Anthem.

Pretty much like every other country but England then. Haha!

 

[binky]

couldn't help noticing how everyone at the rugby world cup was singing for once.....

It's a well known fact corbyn and at least one other of his cabinet ministers have openly supported and attended anti-British rallies of terrorist organisations. 

It is nothing to do with any media organisation.

It is also a well known fact he does not respect our war veterans. 

what isn't reported accurately is WHY JC and crew were there, misrepresentation of facts to mud-sling left wing politicians by a right wing press, and just generally sell newspapers, is absolutely pandemic in the UK. 

As for respecting war veterans, how come so much of the prison population is ex-forces, how come DIY SOS are doing a big build for war veterans and their families, how come ex-forces are sleeping rough on the streets of Britain. Where's the firkin respect from this government?????

 

[steptoe]

I take it you didn't hear any of the speeches they made at any of the numerous rallies they attended,? 

 

[binky]

as I said, the real reasons behind his actions can only be told by the man himself - that will be buried in the unreported sections which I haven't got time to research at the moment.

What's your answer to the last bit then? I'm getting fed up with 'support our veterans' posting on Facebook, there's shedloads of them, not because I'm anti-veteran incidentally, (for they are mere porns in a bigger game even if they were daft enough to sign-up as cannon fodder), but because it is very clear nice words from government don't stack up to looking after ex-forces in the way the poor sods deserve.

 

[DiddyFA]

I love the way people let the media - because true or not that is where you heard these stories from the past. Not double standards at all by the way - It's ok to lie to parliament (Ashcroft's non dom staus), Stick your private parts in a dead pigs mouth (What he does in his own time doesn't effect me....), Have been found to be a member of the bullingdon club (There reputation precedes them)....but god forbid a man who finds the monarchy outdated and "Talks" to terrorists - Where do you think the IRA cease fires come from ? The peace process ? Thatchers people were talking to them long before Corbyn. Gaddafi and the little meeting in the desert (Not just a "terrorist" but a outlawed regime under embargo's worldwide), Do you think that there may even possibly be at least one double agent infiltrated into today's "terrorists" cajoling,negotiating,reporting back ect ect ? 

But as it's someone with left wing socialist views then he is indeed a madman who want's to ruin the country.

 

[steptoe]

I love the way people let the media - because true or not that is where you heard these stories from the past. Not double standards at all by the way - It's ok to lie to parliament (Ashcroft's non dom staus), Stick your private parts in a dead pigs mouth (What he does in his own time doesn't effect me....), Have been found to be a member of the bullingdon club (There reputation precedes them)....but god forbid a man who finds the monarchy outdated and "Talks" to terrorists - Where do you think the IRA cease fires come from ? The peace process ? Thatchers people were talking to them long before Corbyn. Gaddafi and the little meeting in the desert (Not just a "terrorist" but a outlawed regime under embargo's worldwide), Do you think that there may even possibly be at least one double agent infiltrated into today's "terrorists" cajoling,negotiating,reporting back ect ect ? 

But as it's someone with left wing socialist views then he is indeed a madman who want's to ruin the country.

the very point here is that,

Thatcher was talking to them about peace,

Corbyn was attending their rallies, promoting their tactics, and applauding their killing and bombing of British citizens, soldiers and police officers,

the ira released videos of him for propaganda purposes at the time,

so, its NOT right wing media promoting the fact,

FACT 2 :- no one on either side has, or will say corbyn was any part of the peace process, this includes the British gov, the irish gov, and any of the republican or loyalist groups, because he had NO part in the peace process whatsoever,

as I said, the real reasons behind his actions can only be told by the man himself - that will be buried in the unreported sections which I haven't got time to research at the moment.

What's your answer to the last bit then? I'm getting fed up with 'support our veterans' posting on Facebook, there's shedloads of them, not because I'm anti-veteran incidentally, (for they are mere porns in a bigger game even if they were daft enough to sign-up as cannon fodder), but because it is very clear nice words from government don't stack up to looking after ex-forces in the way the poor sods deserve.

there is no answer,

since time began I think most governments see the soldiers as merely cannon fodder, in any war, merely there so the leader of the time can self promote himself,

after that fk them, they have outlived their usefulness,

 

[DiddyFA]

the very point here is that,

Thatcher was talking to them about peace,

Corbyn was attending their rallies, promoting their tactics, and applauding their killing and bombing of British citizens, soldiers and police officers,

the ira released videos of him for propaganda purposes at the time,

so, its NOT right wing media promoting the fact,

FACT 2 :- no one on either side has, or will say corbyn was any part of the peace process, this includes the British gov, the irish gov, and any of the republican or loyalist groups, because he had NO part in the peace process whatsoever,

But he was engaging in dialogue before it became bloody trendy to do so. Even if he did support their cause - He has a right to a view and opinion. He may very well feel that the Irish Catholics have been dealt a very raw deal since the black and tans descended upon them....who knows. Did he supply any arms ? Did he fund raise ? Did he take part in ANY violence political or otherwise ? Having read quite a few books and listened to tails from ex-army who served over in NI I can assure you that the british state sanctioned some very unsavoury acts of violence and murder over there......Does that make me a friend of the terrorist ? 

I see the we skipped over what Cameron and his pals done in their past. 

As far as I am concerned Corbyn can hold whatever belief he so chooses - Fek me his choice of bed partner leaves a lot to be desired....Does any of that effect his ability to run a country ? 

Once again I will say it is because he is a left winger who threatens the establishment and must be stamped out of existence before gaining any real power......I expect the appointment of Seumas Milne as press officer has given the press a real rock on lol. 

I love political commentators biased views lol. Last labour leader was not "tough enough" to appear on world stage - Now this current one has too many links to tough guy's with balaclava's on ffs.

Remember one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Bear that in mind when you call enemies of the state a terrorist. Just imagine if Hitler had actually invaded UK - we would all have been terrorists or we would have been part of his gang...which would you choose ? I for one would quite gladly go fetch my petrol bomb's and balaclava if I felt my country and therefore my very freedom had been violated.

 

[binky]

and not forgetting the upstanding Tories, supporters of the armed forces and all good things British have just sold us out to China and doubled the cost of generating electric.

Now sing along the new national anthem......

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Nebe1zuEtbc?feature=oembed