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phil d

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We all complain about the lack of proper skills these days and magazine articles continue to deny the problem, moreover they defend the use of short courses as a perfectly satisfactory practice, well how's this for a lack of knowledge, not only on the part of the author, but also on the part of the magazine!

In the photo's page of June's Professional Electrician there is a photo of a red carrier from a service head, it has been opened and reveals a piece of tubular metal, the comment from the poster is "interesting use of steel tube for a main fuse", followed by the comment from the magazine, "niceic inspector says, confusing the missing link, reg referall  overcurrent protective device 430.3"

Now there are 2 points here, 1 a red carrier is red to denote that it does have a solid link fitted, usually when the premise is fed from for example, a Ryefield board and the fuse is located there, or where there are 2 meters, one in a service room and the other in the flat, this is quite common in certain area's, the fuse being in the service room.

Point 2, we are constantly being told not to pull service fuses, ok, we do occasionally, but for good reason, if filling in an eicr for example, you'd normally put the value stated on the carrier, followed by NV in the box where it asks for supply fuse rating, pulling a sealed service fuse just to ascertain the fuse value is hardly justified in my opinion.

It's worrying that somebody out there is pulling one of these and wondering why it has no fuse in it, I wonder if he rang the DNO? Another interesting one was that the same type of thing appeared in the magazine around a year ago and I actually wrote in stating why red carriers were used, surely you'd think they'd mention this as there seems to be a distinct lack of knowledge concerning these red carriers.

 
This appears about twice a year...usually with some pithy and humorouless comment by the editorial,staff

a while,ago,there were over thirty mistakes in one of their 'technical,bits'...I,emailed them, got ignored. Next edition they said  was a printing error. I emailed again, stating that they only,printed what the tw@ told them to print.  Got,ignored again

Darrens 'frequently asked questions" are even worse. If you are phoning in with those questions you should be defrocked and have your terminal driver ceremonially shoved up,your chuff

 
This appears about twice a year...usually with some pithy and humorouless comment by the editorial,staff

a while,ago,there were over thirty mistakes in one of their 'technical,bits'...I,emailed them, got ignored. Next edition they said  was a printing error. I emailed again, stating that they only,printed what the tw@ told them to print.  Got,ignored again

Darrens 'frequently asked questions" are even worse. If you are phoning in with those questions you should be defrocked and have your terminal driver ceremonially shoved up,your chuff
Couldn't agree more mate, judging by some comments and questions I'd be worried about them changing a torch battery, let alone anything else.

 
and whilst we are on the subject of NICEIC...

why has there logo not changed to Brown and Blue?


Ah. Simples

Because their logo relates to DC

So they haven't even grasped that simple aspect if electricity, why would they care about any other aspect of it,?

LFB and the  Nodding Donkey, they don't care about anyone but themselves, 

 
I liked the one where they stated that IP definatly did not stand for Ingress Protection, but was actually International Protection. WTGrape

 
This appears about twice a year...usually with some pithy and humorouless comment by the editorial,staff

a while,ago,there were over thirty mistakes in one of their 'technical,bits'...I,emailed them, got ignored. Next edition they said  was a printing error. I emailed again, stating that they only,printed what the tw@ told them to print.  Got,ignored again

Darrens 'frequently asked questions" are even worse. If you are phoning in with those questions you should be defrocked and have your terminal driver ceremonially shoved up,your chuff
:Applaud

 
Just found another bit, on about an install and the advice is given by the ever correct NI, they recommend the use of swa and refer to it as steel wire armoured. Now I know a lot of us probably call it the same, but considering swa actually stands for single wire armoured, you think they'd know better, after all they're quick enough to criticise others.lol

 
DWA (double wire armored) is a pig to make off.

LV it will be VIR with an extruded rubber serving, MV PILC. The inner and outer layers of armors separated with tarred hessian. To add to the fun the outer serving is tarred jute or hessian.

As far as I know you can no longer get the correct stalk glands for it.

 
PE magazine is full of lettuced sent in by know nothing morons and no-one o the staff has any idea what they are doing. I grab a copy just to see what is being touted this month, I ignore the technical articles, or take with a huge pinch of salt if I do bother reading them. The pictures page is always full of perfectly fine installations and half of the things that are wrong aren't what they say they are anyway.

Basically it's complete garbage and should be banned.

 
PE magazine is full of lettuced sent in by know nothing morons and no-one o the staff has any idea what they are doing. I grab a copy just to see what is being touted this month, I ignore the technical articles, or take with a huge pinch of salt if I do bother reading them. The pictures page is always full of perfectly fine installations and half of the things that are wrong aren't what they say they are anyway.

Basically it's complete garbage and should be banned.
Ahh, but you probably apply common sense when you look at installs, these days if it isn't exactly as the regs say it should be then people start screaming, "it's illegal", which really boils my pee, because as anyone with any sense knows the regs are a guide, not a statutory instrument, and therefore departures are not "illegal". As someone once said, "for the observance of fools and the guidance of wise men". Recently I was talking to a bloke about steel trunking and mentioned that many years ago on one job we needed that many bends and tee's that we made our own, "oh you couldn't do that today, they'd never comply" he replied. I asked him why not and his answer was, "well you couldn't make them good enough", excuse me!, back in the day fabricating stuff was a common part of the job, with the right training and a bit of care you soon learned how to make things, but wait, that's it, there is no proper training today! 

 
Its an ever perpetiating cycle. Consultants often drop in a prohibition of site fabricated bends, why? because they don't trust that they will be fabricated decently, why is that the case? because they are not doing them all the time because the job spec doesn't let them.....

The daft thing is, that today its probably easier than ever, theres probably an app available to calaculate where to put the cuts! If not, theres probably money to be made writing one!

 
I'm not sure exactly what todays apprenticeship is like compared to what mine was in the mid 90's, but I did bends in trunking and tray and also pyro and galv conduit. Don't think that's all still in today, which is daft. Even if you're not doing tons of commercial work being able to grab a length of trunking or tray to tidy up cable entry to a board or something is a useful skill. Even without using the galv trunking and conduit the skills are transferable, many a time I have used a bit of 2x2 or 3x3 PVC on a domestic job for the main run to the board on a rewire or something, especially useful nowadays when there are often 2 or 3 times as many circuits on the average property.

 
That's the trouble today, nobody thinks on their feet, we had a lad at the farm and anytime anything broke he was like "just buy a new one", Trouble is at 3 am during harvest what do you do, there's nowhere open for parts and the job won't wait. He bent a part on a tractor, couldn't get another one and didn't know what to do, 10 minutes with a vice and a car jack and problem solved, he was amazed that I'd been able to straighten it.

Nobody today has the skills we used to have, it's all "throw it away and get a new one", same as working things out, we had pens, paper and other things to work out what we needed, now if there isn't an app they don't want to know.

 
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