Improvements before a board change

[bluetobits]

Hi Guys, Was wondering if someone could shed a bit of light on this situation. A spark went round to my father-in-laws other week to carry out initial inspection before changing his board and flagged up some problems.

1, Shower pull cord hanging into zone 1. Gave a code 1

2, Supplementary bonds missing from some metal light switches and class 1 fittings. Code 1 also given

3, 13amp socket spurred off cooker circuit in kitchen. Code 2

4, Outside bulkhead light not IP65. Code 2

I think he's being a bit excessive with his coding, and does this work actually need to be done prior to a board change or could it just be noted on EIC ?

Last question, I'm not part p registered and only work in commercial premises but could i carry out the remedial works and inform LABC?

Does anyone know how much they charge?

 

[Evans Electric]

1 The pull cord hanging into zone 1 sounds like over enthusiasm to me .

2. Yep metal accessories will need to be earthed.

3. Socket spured off the cooker code 2, Hmmm ....not the worst crime in the world is it.

4. A bulkhead fitting not IP65 ....... Well Ok is it full of water , or is it IP something else. ?

They will charge you a fortune , do you really need to inform them ? Why not just do the jobs, especially No. 2

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

1, Shower pull cord hanging into zone 1. Gave a code 1

eh????

How high is the ceiling i.e. when is the switch fixed?

If the switch is fixed to a ceiling which is greater than 2250mm from floor level then it is outside of the zones..

pg 71 OSG!

And the "cord pull" can dangle where ever is convenient for the customer!

If you are qualified and can test and fill in an EIC..

you can do the CU swap..

as long as you inform LABC first..

Read paragraphs

b 1.21

b 1.22

b 1.23

of App Doc P.

Your LABC charges can normally be found from their web site.

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Pushy Shovey Sandra!!!! X(

I couldn't run fast in these High-heels you lent me!

 

[NozSpark]

Hi Guys, Was wondering if someone could shed a bit of light on this situation. A spark went round to my father-in-laws other week to carry out initial inspection before changing his board and flagged up some problems.1, Shower pull cord hanging into zone 1. Gave a code 1 This would all depend on where the body of the switch is,, it doesn't matter where the cord is!

2, Supplementary bonds missing from some metal light switches and class 1 fittings. Code 1 also given IMHO this would depend on the type of backbox, and where the CPC currently terminates. If it terminates in the backbox and has plastic lugs or both moveable then it would be a code 2 if it had at least 1 fixed lug then prob a code 4

3, 13amp socket spurred off cooker circuit in kitchen. Code 2 If the circuit doesn't already have a socket then this would be no different than a cooker switch with socket (so no code) but if it does then I'd probably give it a 2

4, Outside bulkhead light not IP65. Code 2 This would depend on it's location and current IP rating

I think he's being a bit excessive with his coding, and does this work actually need to be done prior to a board change or could it just be noted on EIC ?

Last question, I'm not part p registered and only work in commercial premises but could i carry out the remedial works and inform LABC?

Does anyone know how much they charge? You can carry out any work that is not in a special location and not notify it to the LABC

Mine in RED

 

[Ali]

2, Supplementary bonds missing from some metal light switches and class 1 fittings. Code 1 also given

I'm ready to get shot down, but please be gentle with me, I'm still new to this.

I am reading no 2 as 'no bonding strap from earthed metal light switch to metal back box'. I have been told by several well informed people that this is not necessary if at least one of the lugs on the back box is fixed because the back box is earthed by the screw holding the face plate in. :C

 

[Lee321]

why code 2 on the socket Noz ?:|

 

[bluetobits]

Thanks for the replies guys, I'm quite willing to do the remedials but wouldn't have the time to do board change. I think the ceiling is over 2.25M as it is a fairly old house. I think I'll do the lighting bonds and the outside light then argue that points 1+3 don't need attention. I'll double check the socket on the cooker isolator. Thanks again.

 

[Theorysparky]

13amp socket spurred from cooker circuit

depends where the socket is,,,,,,,is it obvious that it comes from the cooker circuit ??? it could be in a under worktop cupboard to supply the hob

i wouldnt code 2 that,,,note it maybe

rule of thumb for height in bathrooms ...... im 5'10 if i can touch the ceiling at a stretch standing normally then its over 2.25m easily

lower than that IP rated required

 

[Evans Electric]

I assumed he meant that the metal plates were not earthed .

 

[Theorysparky]

i assumed it was not earthed to the back box !!!!!

 

[bluetobits]

i assumed it was not earthed to the back box !!!!!

I'm assuming the same, not actually been to look at this work, only had a brief description as to what was picked up.

 

[PC Electrics]

I'm reading item 2 as supplementary bonding in a bathroom. In which case, yes it would be code 2, but as he's going to fit a dRCD CU this will be taken care of by the RCDs.

If you're refering to 'fly lead earths' from switches and sockets to back box, then this is only required if both lugs are adjustable. OK without if one fixed lug.

The socket on the cooker circuit will depend on the overall loading and the position of the socket and what it's used for. Can you illucidate?

outside light not IP65? Is it at least IP44?

 

[bluetobits]

Item 2 is 'fly lead earths' around the house in general. Don't know about loading on cooker circuit. What would be the issue with the position of the socket?

 

[Lee321]

positioning over a sink eg. and/or max 3m from cooker point.

as said if the accessories have earths but no fly leads and both movable lugs its a code 2 just

 

[green-hornet]

The fly lead earthing is total waste of time I used to spend hours doing it when in fact it is not required, as long as the switch or socket is earthed if metal then no problems.(earthing to earth of course plastic as well)

Shower pull cord never in a million years should this be a code 1. Its a peice of string! The actual position of the switch then yes if in a zone code 2.

13 amp socket spured off a cooker circuit, this would depend like others have said on the cooker loading, the size of cable to the spur should be at least cabable of carrying the amps that the circuit is designed for, anything plugged into this is protected by the plug top fuse.

The IP rating of any fitting is down to the environment it is placed and not on a standard, everything outside should be 65, which is what it looks like from this report.

What worries me more is the fact that this type of report has nothing to do with the integrety of any circuits for the suitability to upgrade to full RCD protection, just looks like a half hearted PIR to me.