Luminaire missing cover C2 or C3 out of reach?

[runningpiglet]

Light industrial workshop has this fluorescent luminaire missing cover plate. Internals probably could be reached by a 12.5mm test finger so fails IP2X. If coded as C2 it would be the only C2 in the installation. However the light is 2.6m above the floor so hardly liable to inadvertant contact. I am just wondering if it could argued that 417.3 applies - what do you folk think? In reality I will try to push for replacing with LED strip.

 

[Murdoch]

If you’ve done an EICR you need to code it, write up the report and submit it with your invoice. Resolving it isn’t your issue unless the customer asks you to fix it

I would give that a C2. The height off the floor is largely irrelevant unless it’s about 5 meters up

 

[Geoff1946]

I don't think being out of normal reach allows accessible live parts. You must consider someone climbing up for cleaning or maintenance reasons.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Light industrial workshop has this fluorescent luminaire missing cover plate. Internals probably could be reached by a 12.5mm test finger so fails IP2X. If coded as C2 it would be the only C2 in the installation. However the light is 2.6m above the floor so hardly liable to inadvertant contact. I am just wondering if it could argued that 417.3 applies - what do you folk think? In reality I will try to push for replacing with LED strip.

But you still have simultaneous accessible parts that can be at different potentials accessible to any person who may try replacing the tube...

e.g. live exposed conductive parts and exposed conductive parts at earth potential...
417.3.1 would suggest these must not be within 2.5m of each other.

so are you certain there are NO immediate or potential dangers to anyone swapping a dead tube without realising the fitting is still energised...?

I would think there is a potential danger.

 

[ProDave]

We argue about coding this, but don't bat an eyelid about a BC or ES fitting which of course anyone can poke a finger onto a liver terminal without any tools.

 

[Fleeting]

You can't suggest out of reach as a means of protection in this instance.
If you are undertaking EICRs you should be well aware of this.

 

[Fleeting]

If you’ve done an EICR you need to code it, write up the report and submit it with your invoice. Resolving it isn’t your issue unless the customer asks you to fix it

I would give that a C2. The height off the floor is largely irrelevant unless it’s about 5 meters up

What difference does above 5m make?

 

[nicebutdim]

We argue about coding this, but don't bat an eyelid about a BC or ES fitting which of course anyone can poke a finger onto a liver terminal without any tools.

Not an unreasonable point, but BS7671 (rightly or wrongly) makes specific provision for those lamp holders.

 

[Fleeting]

Not an unreasonable point, but BS7671 (rightly or wrongly) makes specific provision for those lamp holders.

Agreed it has no relevance.

 

[Murdoch]

What difference does above 5m make?

I was applying common sense to the rediculously vague regulations we have to work with

 

[Fleeting]

I was applying common sense to the rediculously vague regulations we have to work with

The situation in question does not have a vague answer, placing out of reach is not acceptable and anyone undertaking an EICR should be well aware of this.

 

[Murdoch]

The situation in question does not have a vague answer, placing out of reach is not acceptable and anyone undertaking an EICR should be well aware of this.

If you say so …. As I originally stated it’s a C2