"Microsoft" Scam. YTech Solutions

[ianmacd]

Im really struggling to think of something specialised that M$ do. (apart from the usual security flaws)it seems more like a jack of all trades master of none,

No designer I know of uses M$, No software security consultants or PEN testers I know of use M$, No major servers I know of use M$, No critical businesses I know of use M$,

its just used by some businesses for the ok desktop environment and day to day stuff, most specialised companies have their own software, but as M$ is the most widespread and on the great majority of home PCs due to Bills subsidy campaign then that is what they port their products to.

More than 57 million web sites us iis. Some of them you will use and probably not know it. Do you have a Bank account? They will be using MS. Do you buy food, they will use MS.

Lets face it, Linux is not a good desktop for the lay person and I do not care what anyone says its not. Microsoft is what people know and tend to stick with. The only truly usable desktop I have ever used (and I have used virtually everything thats been around in the last 30 years) is OSX. It has no equal (and it conforms to the singe UNIX spec too).

 

[steptoe]

More than 57 million web sites us iis. Some of them you will use and probably not know it. Do you have a Bank account? They will be using MS. Do you buy food, they will use MS. Lets face it, Linux is not a good desktop for the lay person and I do not care what anyone says its not. Microsoft is what people know and tend to stick with. The only truly usable desktop I have ever used (and I have used virtually everything thats been around in the last 30 years) is OSX. It has no equal (and it conforms to the singe UNIX spec too).

I totally disagree with that,

the idiot pushing buttons at the counter may have windoze on his desktop,

the company will be using something far more secure and viable.

my missus works for a large international company and was telling me last year that more and more of the staff are being trained up as superusers,

I asked her why and she started to explain all this terminal stuff to me,

so I got her to open a terminal in Linux(she had never done it before as she only ever used the GUI at home), and she said,

'WOW, how come we can "sudo" on this computer too, we couldnt do any of that stuff on the windows one' ,

I really dont know how you can say Linux, in any of its many forms, is not a good desktop, just because it is different does not make it worse, in fact it may well be the fact that Im not very computer savvy is why I get on with it better than windows,

it does what I want, when I want, I dont have to click 'start' to get it to stop, boy oh boy, if they cant even get that button right after all these years what hope is there.

 

[ianmacd]

And where do those figures come from, and what percentage is that against Linux/Apache ?

Netcraft: January 2011 Web Server Survey | Netcraft. Also remember apache doesn't just run on that joke called linux.

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I totally disagree with that,the idiot pushing buttons at the counter may have windoze on his desktop,

the company will be using something far more secure and viable.

my missus works for a large international company and was telling me last year that more and more of the staff are being trained up as superusers,

I asked her why and she started to explain all this terminal stuff to me,

so I got her to open a terminal in Linux(she had never done it before as she only ever used the GUI at home), and she said,

'WOW, how come we can "sudo" on this computer too, we couldnt do any of that stuff on the windows one' ,

I really dont know how you can say Linux, in any of its many forms, is not a good desktop, just because it is different does not make it worse, in fact it may well be the fact that Im not very computer savvy is why I get on with it better than windows,

it does what I want, when I want, I dont have to click 'start' to get it to stop, boy oh boy, if they cant even get that button right after all these years what hope is there.

I know for a FACT that a couple of the top supermarkets AND Banks use MS servers and not just to service the desktops.

Windows also has the concept of escalating privileges too.

I have been working with computers too long to have to 'work' at a desktop and the ONLY one that I have never had to is OSX. It just works. Linux doesn't even come close.

 

[a1]

All this is way over my head, Guys. :_|

 

[steptoe]

Netcraft: January 2011 Web Server Survey | Netcraft. Also remember apache doesn't just run on that joke called linux.---------- Post Auto-Merged at 08:36 ---------- Previous post was made at 08:30 ----------

I know for a FACT that a couple of the top supermarkets AND Banks use MS servers and not just to service the desktops.

Windows also has the concept of escalating privileges too.

I have been working with computers too long to have to 'work' at a desktop and the ONLY one that I have never had to is OSX. It just works. Linux doesn't even come close.

and I would hazard a guess that 99% of windows users (if they are the PC owner at home) log on as admin, virtually 99% of the time.

thats why they get viruses,

BTW, my bank offers free anti-virus for on-line banking, available only to windows users, , so I rang them up and asked why, turns out as I use Ubuntu, and they run Linux then I dont have the security issue that windows servers have, this was only after a 30min phone call and me demanding a call back from tech that I got it explained to me all about this,

they rang me the next day.

when I told the tech guy I didnt use windows He said they were working on something for MAC,

I said I didnt use that and he went quiet, then asked if I used Linux, I said Ubuntu and came the No Worries bit, apparently it doesnt have to go through some coding decoding procedure the same as its the same basic platform, and inherently more secure so no AV required.

(BTW, Im not making a statement its better than MAC, I think Ive actually said before my opinions on MAC.)

 

[ianmacd]

Cant do that any more with the elevated privileges popups in windows 7 on a workstation. Servers are a different story and only admins should be logging onto servers anyway.

 

[steptoe]

well I can log into my W7 as an admin if I want, dunno if the basic one will allow it though, I could try it at the weekend if I can be bothered.

so, windows finally catching up with the hobby half finished OS's now and denying root access as a log in are they?

and yes, you can run as root/admin in linux/ubuntu, but, if you know enough to be able to do that, then you know the risks involved.

 

[steptoe]

I feel we have lost the thread of this thread though

we dont like change round here.

its a local forum, for local people.

 

[UK-Fire]

no technological reason why a similar scam wouldnt work on linux.

if for example somebody has one of those linux netbooks, or one of the much rarer linux desktops, and they are as "computer un-friendly" as joe-public-windows-user, chances are that if they can get the software on there (im thinking like ubuntu for example, easier software sources and the like, and sudo access), they could do just as much - if not more harm - as if it was a windows machine. the key is that they are letting them in.

the UAC (user account control) is very similar to the sudo prompts - you can configure them to need admin passwords for uac actions.

yes, linux is inherently more secure, but the weakness in most security systems relates to PEBKAC

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

I doubt many are following this now as its nearly 3 years old......

Possibly further evidence of PEBKAC!

:coat

 

[UK-Fire]

I doubt many are following this now as its nearly 3 years old......

Possibly further evidence of PEBKAC!

:coat

oops. do apologise..... :facepalm: