need rcd?

[paul b b]

hello chaps.

customer is having wall studded out for kingspan, builder wants me to undo sockets and refit in new plaster, question is do i have to rcd it and make sure bonds are in place?

thanks

paul

 

[Badger]

hello chaps.customer is having wall studded out for kingspan, builder wants me to undo sockets and refit in new plaster, question is do i have to rcd it and make sure bonds are in place?

thanks

paul

what type of c/u is installed, yes main bonding should be installed imho

 

[paul b b]

i'v not seen the job, builder phoned me and asked if i could could do it monday sa she wants the work done whilst on holiday. i hate doing things like this i prefer to ok all with customer before hand but i also want to get in with the builder as he does some good jobs

 

[Badger]

i'v not seen the job, builder phoned me and asked if i could could do it monday sa she wants the work done whilst on holiday. i hate doing things like this i prefer to ok all with customer before hand but i also want to get in with the builder as he does some good jobs

all the more reason to do a professional job to the book also covers your back, drop rcbo in a enclosure next to fuseboard if that c/u cant take the rcbo itself bonding should always be installed though

 

[paul b b]

thanks badger.

it will no doubt be an old wylex on a tt with no rod!

 

[Badger]

and dont forget it will be flex feeding the socket from a cooker point :^O :coat

 

[paul b b]

and the ring thats not a ring lol

 

[Badger]

to be honest paul, i always think if the builder is decent enough work standard wise and i know a couple myself decent ones then they will understand the regs you have to go along with, if they only want to make a quick buck and not do something correctly and safely do you really want to risk your no doubt good reputation to do something with even a slight possibilty of it electrocuting the customer/user, thats my 2 peneth anyway.

 

[ianmacd]

Do not forget about possibly derating the cables due to extra insulation now.

 

[Badger]

and the ring thats not a ring lol

but a ring main that isnt complete is easy to fix just put the legs across a 20 amp mcb sorted

 

[ianmacd]

but a ring main that isnt complete is easy to fix just put the legs across a 20 amp mcb sorted

Then its a radial

 

[paul b b]

Do not forget about possibly derating the cables due to extra insulation now.

i thought about this but i think the cables are chased in at the mo so i guess im ok there.

though there wont be enough slack to bring forward 70mm, best get some wagos on board

 

[ianmacd]

May be easier/better to find out where the other ends are and run new cables inside the studwork.

 

[Badger]

our kitchen with all the appliances on washing machine, tumble dryer and dishwasher only pulls approx 18 amps, so not even close to 20 amp mcb bearing in mind a 20 amp mcb type b will take more than 20 amps,

 

[paul b b]

again, i thought of this, but then i will have an insulation problem

 

[Badger]

Then its a radial

:Applaud yes i realise that :^O :innocent :run :coffee headbang O) :x

 

[ianmacd]

again, i thought of this, but then i will have an insulation problem

Not if you size the cable accordingly. Make sure its RCD'd and run it on top of kingspan between plasterboard (a la 102) and size cable accordingly.

 

[paul b b]

i could of cause, surface mount it, would this still need a rcd?

just to point out, i would prefer it to be arseedeed, just a hypthectical question

 

[professional]

hello chaps.customer is having wall studded out for kingspan, builder wants me to undo sockets and refit in new plaster, question is do i have to rcd it and make sure bonds are in place?

thanks

paul

You should highlight the bonding issue BUT it is NOT a requirement.

As for rcd requirement, it is questionable if it is required under the circumstances you state. If the extension to the cabling is behind the new socket position then why would it need rcd protection?

I really do wonder where people get these outlandish ideas about rcd protection and bonding on virtually every job that we carry out.

Recommendations are NOT regulations, it is YOUR job to interpret them as you stand in front of the customer, then advise accordingly.

 

[ianmacd]

You should highlight the bonding issue BUT it is NOT a requirement.As for rcd requirement, it is questionable if it is required under the circumstances you state. If the extension to the cabling is behind the new socket position then why would it need rcd protection?

I really do wonder where people get these outlandish ideas about rcd protection and bonding on virtually every job that we carry out.

Recommendations are NOT regulations, it is YOUR job to interpret them as you stand in front of the customer, then advise accordingly.

What about the fact its a socket in a dwelling? You seem to have missed that.