NICEIC Assessment

[mcgaw81]

I have my NICEIC Assessment on Monday, I have my 5/6 jobs lined up for the assessor.

However one of my jobs is ongoing, a kitchen refurb, new sockets cooker and reposition of light sw, and an new extension.

As the cooker and sockets are only 'first fixed' no testing has been carried out, however I have connected up the moved light sw, tested but not done an MWC, as I will be changing the CU week after next.

So should I do a MWC or leave it till the CU is changed?

I have done the testing on the lights however the results are in the van and the van is in the garage getting engine rebuilt (timing belt snapped). Should I nip out tomorrow and retest and have a MWC, just incase he asks for it.

Also as i have moved it, it should be RCD'd but again as its works ongoing i have not done this due to where the new CU is going, cant be fitted till extension is put up.

 

[Andy™]

may be a good idea to at least have a piece of paper with the results on, that you will then be putting on EIC - proves that you have done your testing before making the circuit live and that its safe

im sure he will understand that its sometimes not possible to do all works at the same time, and things may be a little spread out like this

 

[baldelectrician]

Make sure the bonding is in place and anything you have worked on is certed

Also have a calibration system in place (monthly checks on a check box type thing and a RCD result check box)

I have pulled out of NICIEC (costs) and am only in SELECT now. Makes business sense too- SELECT are more clued up on Scottish things

 

[batty]

I have my NICEIC Assessment on Monday, I have my 5/6 jobs lined up for the assessor. However one of my jobs is ongoing, a kitchen refurb, new sockets cooker and reposition of light sw, and an new extension.

As the cooker and sockets are only 'first fixed' no testing has been carried out, however I have connected up the moved light sw, tested but not done an MWC, as I will be changing the CU week after next.

So should I do a MWC or leave it till the CU is changed?

I have done the testing on the lights however the results are in the van and the van is in the garage getting engine rebuilt (timing belt snapped). Should I nip out tomorrow and retest and have a MWC, just incase he asks for it.

Also as i have moved it, it should be RCD'd but again as its works ongoing i have not done this due to where the new CU is going, cant be fitted till extension is put up.

Sorry to here about your van is there much damage.

Batty

 

[mcgaw81]

Yeah, but cheap to fix as its an old escort, needs 5 new valves and gaskets etc, only going to cost about

 

[batty]

Yeah, but cheap to fix as its an old escort, needs 5 new valves and gaskets etc, only going to cost about

 

[mcgaw81]

Good things about ford, parts are cheap if things do go wrong.

The old escort broke down at 6.10am on wednesday, had to wait 2 hrs for RAC to come. Still my mechanic will have it sorted by tomorrow night so thats not bad service.

 

[mcgaw81]

Another quick question,

I have an outbuilding that i rewired.

The cable from DB was already installed and is 3 core 4mm SWA, cable run only 10/11m. System is TN-C-S. Current arrangement is 16mm2 tails, 10mm Earthing Conductor, 6mm to water.

The existing SWA had been connected at both sides, however the previous spark did not put it into an adaptable box he just stripped it back and connected it up, no gland in sight. This was done as both sides. It is connected on to the non RCD side of CU and protected by 32amp MCB.

I fitted a plastic 4 way CU in outbuilding, taken out old wylex 3036 CU. However due to the original wiring i can't fit an adaptable box at my CUto gland of SWA, I would normally, is this bad practice?? I'm taken NIC there tomorrow, I did note on test sheet that no gland visable.

One of the cores was uesd as an earth, I left this and sheathed it accordling, should I have put a spike in? (or does that open up a big can of worms again?????).

Simple install only 6 double sockets on 16amp Radial, and 3 5ft flus on 6amp. Total load not much. All RCD protected.

This is the second outbuilding I have done in the same street, and the SWA has been done the same way. Think it has been the same spark, maybe he/she couldn't gland off.

So after all that, will NICEIC pull me up on that as there is no gland there??

Thanks in advance.

PS.

I have had two jobs that I had arranged call and cancel, so starting to get stressed. There is noone in on a sunday to arrange another two. I have 3/4 jobs but need 5-7 ,

 

[D Brennan]

From 08 onwards all problems on the vivaro have been sorted.

I have just had all the parts changed on mine also to ensure i have no problems.

Although on other posts i have moaned about the vivaro i dont think you can bbeat it in looks and how it drives, just ensure you dont get one of the earlier ones that have fuel pump problems and and gearbox problems

 

[green-hornet]

If you have another job on standby take them there instead.

Whilst you can not be held responsible for an exsisting installation there are some very major points with your problem here.

The swa should be correctly terminated at both ends, the outgoing should be rcd protected.

You should have installed a rod for the outbuilding, so you are not exporting an earth outside the equipotential zone.

I really do not want to worry you but I think the faults on the installation will only open you up to some more serious questions and a possibility of a non conformity.

Get on the phone first thing in the morning to your past customers and see if you can arrange more visits. Its too late to cancel your assesment now unless you want to pay for the cancellation.

 

[Andy™]

tell them thats the only places you could get access to because some have let you down and haven't gave you enough time to arrange with other

 

[mcgaw81]

I need to take them to 5 jobs, that job cancelled witin the last hour anyway. I told them about the discussion we had, I am going next sat to correct it and put spike in, so thanks.

I now have 4 jobs for certain, and one that has access after 4pm, you necer know he may be happy with the four,

they are

Shower install completed

Rewire Completed

Rewire ongoing

Kitchen alteration, and new extension ongoing

5th one was a socket radial circuit, done in trunking. If he wants five he will have to wait, as it is a whole day assessment anyway.

 

[Andy™]

much easier with elecsa, just one job to look at.

 

[mcgaw81]

Its for the full NIC status, elecsa don't do Scotland. We have Select or NIC. and cos im close to the border i chose NIC, just incase I get some work in England.

 

[steptoe]

mcgaw, your 1st 3 look good,

shower complete,

rewire complete,

and a work in progress so he can see how you do things, is any plasterboard up etc? can he see the cables?

can you arrange for someone (CoW) to be on site to talk to him?

I had a yearly assesment (for firm I work for) a while back and on the industrial job we went to the projects manager was talking to him for almost 2 hours over coffee,before he looked at work I had done!

we ran out of time for the 3rd job never mind the 4th, (he wanted away at 4pm.!)

oh, by the way, I got pulled on not having put some 20mm screw in blanks in 4 transformers, just said to me to do it, no written thing or anything, was a really nice bloke.

 

[green-hornet]

On the morning of your assesment tell your assesor that you agreed contact with two other properties and they cancelled today giving you no time to re arrange.

Be open and above all honest, there is nothing worse for an assessor turning up on the day to be lied to or misled.

I would expect that you will be more closely scrutinised, this is never personal and your responses to some questions will be the difference between passing and failure.

Before you answer any questions count to 10 this gives you the time to think about what was asked, and gives your nerves time to readjust.

Assessors know your nervous, many of them have had to go through the same process, just imagine how an assessor is assessed each year!

The jobs you have mentioned would in my opinion be acceptable for assesment, but without the 5th job I would want to delve more deeply into the 4 that you have, so be prepared for that.

Above all my only advise is get a good nights sleep, what will be will be you can not change that now.

In the morning take your time take deep breaths between questions and be totally honest.

If you have done good work it will show.

Good luck I will keep my fingers crossed for you!

 

[mcgaw81]

Yeah on the two ongoing ones all cables are visable,

The guy who is coming to access me, has assessed me three times before for previous companies when I was a Qualified Supervisor for them.

He is a spot on guy, the last time he was there to help and not to catch you out.

 

[green-hornet]

Yeah on the two ongoing ones all cables are visable, The guy who is coming to access me, has assessed me three times before for previous companies when I was a Qualified Supervisor for them.

He is a spot on guy, the last time he was there to help and not to catch you out.

You have passed then.

Reason for that statement from me.

You have past history and shown previous competance, your assessor knows your work far more than the 5 jobs required.

Providing that you have maintained that level of competance you should have no problem.

Before anyone jumps up and bites me I like to past history shows far more than a staged visit. You get to know who can and who can not cut it.

Go to bed mate and have a good nights sleep let us know tommoro how you worried over nothing.

 

[Andy™]

As GH, since youve already passed with him before, and he has seen your work before, i doubt he would have much of an issue with less than 5 jobs

Good luck with it

 

[mcgaw81]

When he came for the half day pre assessment, he was only here for 45mins, which was a good start.