NICEIC Connections Magazine

[Evans Electric]

I have to say there are often some interesting articles  & useful technical stuff  in it  ......... but perhaps its just me ...... I got to page 8  , Electricians not allowed to do rental inspections etc...then thinking , do I read further ...to see what new obstacles are in place ,  what new hoops we are expected to jump through  .

So I close the mag. &  pick up my guitar .   

 

[ProDave]

And tick one more day closer to retirement.

 

[Andy™]

, Electricians not allowed to do rental inspections etc.

nope. all propaganda for NICEIC trying to get more money from you. no requirement to be regsitered with them or anyone to do EICR's

 

[Sharpend]

Law says you have to be competent to work on electric this hasn’t stopped the nic taking on any boy wonder :C  

 

[ProDave]

So if the NIC are saying you MUST sign up to another scheme to do something, when the actual laws says not, are they guilty of FRAUD?

 

[Murdoch]

So if the NIC are saying you MUST sign up to another scheme to do something, when the actual laws says not, are they guilty of FRAUD?

I'm not an NICEIC member but if I were, I'd be asking them in writing to justify this statement ............ 

I still think that Emma Clancy's unexplained exit from Certsure etc was to get the position she now has, to steer the legislation to make another scheme mandatory ......... which seems to have failed if I understand the legislation correctly

 

[Evans Electric]

I'm not an NICEIC member but if I were, I'd be asking them in writing to justify this statement .........

Perhaps its just me  but I cannot get past the fact  that they run two Domestic Installer schemes  where members are assessed for , among other stuff,  being competent in testing & certifying installations.

With the new mandatory rental testing they decide to create a third layer of assessment  before you can carry out rental testing ...yet the testing is the same .  The same instruments , the same procedure etc .     It could even be one of your own installs  that you have already tested. 

There is also this strange thing about testing ...to the current Regs.....ie ;  the 18th  when 98%  of premises would fail that criteria before you walk in the door.     

 

[Murdoch]

There is also this strange thing about testing ...to the current Regs.....ie ;  the 18th  when 98%  of premises would fail that criteria before you walk in the door.     

hum, not sure I agree with that,

our refurb is to the 17th edition 2nd amendment,

if inspected to the 18th I think the only “non compliance” would be the plastic CU which is either  C3 or a note on the cert, depending on your views on this

certainly NOT an unsatisfactory 
 

 

[Evans Electric]

Take your point  Mate ,  I was thinking  of it  having no anti arcing device  or struck by lightening device for a start ...plastic boards don't worry me at all to be honest ...until another knee jerk notion  was forced upon us by  ...Trumpton  I think. 

I think the more important things on a EICR  is to push for some RCD protection  ..should it be to an older edition  of the Regs .  

 

[Murdoch]

I think the more important things on a EICR  is to push for some RCD protection  ..should it be to an older edition  of the Regs .  

Re RCD's - yes on sockets its a bit of a no brainer but in the regs its not that clear cut

I think the most important of the new law is that the Tenant is given a copy of the EICR .......... this is a huge step forward IMHO

 

[binky]

Re RCD's - yes on sockets its a bit of a no brainer but in the regs its not that clear cut

I think the most important of the new law is that the Tenant is given a copy of the EICR .......... this is a huge step forward IMHO

I would agree, as older installations aren't an automatic fail, then lack of RCDs aren't either. However for rental I won't accept less than a 16th edition board, and if questioned by a tight landlord, I tell them it is protecting their property as well as the tennant - we've all seen pictures of burn't out cheap Chinese phone chargers and RCDs offer some additional fire protection. I also think, that like a car, you would not accept a car without a minimum level if safety of you went to rent one, eg seat-belts

 

[Murdoch]

I was talking to a spark today in a wholesalers who is doing his EICR's to the 18th edition - so the majority are "unsatisfactory"

I didn't see his horse tied up outside

My thoughts are this isn't what was intended ...........................

The electrical world has gone mad

 

[Andy™]

The electrical world has gone mad

yep, especially as nothing has actually changed as far as our regs go

 

[Murdoch]

yep, especially as nothing has actually changed as far as our regs go

ah but ............. all those houses wired to the 15th, 16th and 17th editions are all so unsafe (cough)

 

[binky]

ah but ............. all those houses wired to the 15th, 16th and 17th editions are all so unsafe (cough)

and then they install a dual RCD board, for a little old lady.... 

 

[Sharpend]

and then they install a dual RCD board, for a little old lady.... 

I’d rather except cash, as opposed to little old ladies, but each to their own?

 

[Murdoch]

This photo comes from the BBB page 4

 enjoy

 

[Sidewinder]

The issue is they messed up the wording in the new legislation.

It infers that all installations must be compliant with the 18th, and thus if it’s not, it must be upgraded.

Total mess up as usual by the Government.

IIRC that has now been withdrawn.

 

[Murdoch]

The issue is they messed up the wording in the new legislation.

It infers that all installations must be compliant with the 18th, and thus if it’s not, it must be upgraded.

Total mess up as usual by the Government.

IIRC that has now been withdrawn.

the issue is that people are being mislead by the NAPIT code breakers

IMHO NAPIT need to issue a very public clarification of the C2 codes they have got wrong

 and yes the legislation is wrong, which I pointed out during the process, but they didn’t want to accept my points on the matter

 

[Evans Electric]

Am I correct in saying that with reference to doing PIRs  ,  we were ALWAYS told to test to the latest edition of the  Regs   .   I'm sure thats how I remember it .

Some years ago the assessor had a look at our PIR book , homed in where we'd put  "  Original wiring the the  15th edition "   or similar .     He said you can't put that , you have to test to the 17th  .     IIRC  the board was a single split load with plugs /shower  on the RCD  ...everything else on MCBs . 

So I'm looking at a 15th edition job through 18th edition  eyes  , thinking  no RCDs  for buried cables etc  ...but  is it  unsatisfactory  ?..is it unsafe ?   ... well its safe to 1970s standards  because the Regs committee of the day said so  ...... so Deke,s  thinking its a C3   from  and a C3 from him .  

Thats when I commented that they would'nt sell me an NICEIC /ELECSA    logo'ed  EICR  pad . Its   because you havn't  been assessed for EICRs .     Hence I use a generic one , which they DID sell me .