Not Electrial, But Still Rough Imo

[RB2004]

if plumbers rate the stuff well then it shows what the plumbers of today are like.
even if installed neatly with proper support, the fittings look damn ugly in comparison with end feed fittings... and not sure it actually does work out much cheaper, when you factor in how much the fittings cost compared to the end feed ones.. end feed ones are pence, plastic fittings are a few quid some of them. so it probably balances out.
I suspect only reason plumbers like it is because of speed, and if it is cheaper... but it shows they have no pride in presentation of their work however well its installed.. its just not possible to aesthetically install plastic pipe as tidy as copper, the fittings are what let it down... big bulky fittings.


 

 

[Sidewinder]

I hate "speedfit", however, we use loads of it, in fact we use almost no copper now.

"speedfit" has a significant electrical advantage for the work we use it for, plus it is quicker and easier, but, it does have to be fitted right.

The cost is more yes, but it normally means we get the job done in less than a day, the aesthetics for this work are secondary, the plumbing is not as ugly as some of the other kit that goes onto the jobs.

However, being non conductive, quick and easy to fit & modify, is a huge bonus.

 

[ProDave]

Ah the truth is coming out now.

Push fit is not any cheaper (so the plumber can charge the same as if he was doing copper) but it takes less time.

So the plumber finishes early, but charges the same.

Where can I buy speed fit cable? 

 

[Andy™]

Ah the truth is coming out now.

Push fit is not any cheaper (so the plumber can charge the same as if he was doing copper) but it takes less time.

So the plumber finishes early, but charges the same.

Where can I buy speed fit cable? 

well really, by doing that, the plumber is getting less for the job. so he would benefit more by taking longer and using copper

 

[Sidewinder]

On the jobs we use "speedfit" on, I survey them, I design them, I quote them, I supply all the materials, the plumber just turns up & puts the wet bits in, I get them in and out as quick as I can, as he is on an hourly, as long as I have another body, to help, else we work as a team, which gets him more, but, he can only do one job in a day then!

Typically a job like this:



I just do the electricy bits on the day.

There is a little more to this that can't be seen.

 

[Sidewinder]

The filters on the board are done off site, fab'd, pressure tested & flushed ready, but, the sockets, switch, light, db, outlets are not always in the same orientation, so difficult to pre-fab.

 

[ProDave]

On the jobs we use "speedfit" on, I survey them, I design them, I quote them, I supply all the materials, the plumber just turns up & puts the wet bits in, I get them in and out as quick as I can, as he is on an hourly, as long as I have another body, to help, else we work as a team, which gets him more, but, he can only do one job in a day then!

Typically a job like this:

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I just do the electricy bits on the day.

There is a little more to this that can't be seen.

Can I just say that's a very neat install. I'm referring to the plumbing.  That should be held up as an example of how speedfit CAN look neat and tidy. 

 

[Sidewinder]

So, PD it seems like your saying the eleccy bits are carp, thanks MATE!

 

[ProDave]

So, PD it seems like your saying the eleccy bits are carp, thanks MATE!

Not at all.  I expected the leccy bits to be good, and they are.

but this thread was all about rubbish speed fit plumbing, and your picture proves it can be done nicely.

 

[Sidewinder]

Sorry PD, I forgot the smiley in my post!

Edited & scoobed as an apology.

 

[RB2004]

A Di unit must be done out of plastic pipe on the out side, its one of the only things which necessitate plastic, but as neat as that installation looks, its still not as neat as copper due to the bulky fittings.
 

A Di should always be done out of plastic on the out side, because the water comes out de-ionized, which means it will try to absorb anything it can and if done with copper pipework it will absorb the copper ions so not only will the drinking water contain copper ions but over time (years) the copper will gradually get thinner as its absorbed by the water.

 

 

[Sidewinder]

RB,

It's not a DI plant, it is merely a filter bank, however, a complex one with some other things, and some even more complex things downstream of this pic once finished.

Also, we don't use copper as "speedfit" is electrically safer.

If you saw the finished article then you would not be worried about the bulky "speedfit" fittings.

I agree that they are large, but, there are limited options available to us, and there is NO WAY I am solvent welding up the systems then going back the next day to finish them off.

 

[Technician]

 and there is NO WAY I am solvent welding up the systems

Yes; I think as Sidewinder does that we are trying to

get this away from us as far as possible.