Old Bill board

[binky]

is it possible to breakers for these old BILL 3 phase boards?

 

[Sharpend]

These? 
https://willrose-electrical.co.uk/?

 

[Evans Electric]

s it possible to breakers for these old BILL 3 phase boards?

Yes  you could ask me for a start  Binky .    I have a few  S/pole  & a few  3 pole .   

I thought you were doing a job in a police station  TBH   :C

 

[binky]

thanks for that, much appreciated. I'm doing the remdial works following a report from a.n.other. I'm not convinced about the accuracy of some of their findings, but need to estimate costs either way. 

 

[Phoenix]

I think most of the time you'd be looking at reclaimed breakers or new old stock. Woth noting that Bill Talisman is the same as the original memshield, while some will rightly wave their hand in the air about mix and matching, with these they identical and its just a case of badge engineering, its the same with the tailsman plus and memshield 2 later on, even the boards are identical save for being painteddark blue rather than cream (see pics on here https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mem-Memshield-1-Distribution-Board-Box-Fuse-Consumer-Unit-4-Way-3-Phase-/113718254782)

 

[Murdoch]

I wonder what guidance the IET has about badge engineered breakers .......

 

[Evans Electric]

I wonder what guidance the IET has about badge engineered breakers

I think they ignored it  TBH    .  Some of those I have that may Binkie's board  are a mixture of Bill & MEM .   All identical aother than the badging . 

Both factories were in B,ham and produced identical products  other than colours  for years. 

 

[Murdoch]

I think they ignored it  TBH    .  Some of those I have that may Binkie's board  are a mixture of Bill & MEM .   All identical aother than the badging . 

Both factories were in B,ham and produced identical products  other than colours  for years. 

Could be interesting when somebody like a scheme jumps up and down about these boards...

 

[Evans Electric]

I believe its the manufacturers  who play up  if you mix n match  ,   they say the board is type tested with their own breakers on board  so fitting a "rogue"  causes them to wet themselves .   

 

[Sharpend]

I believe its the manufacturers  who play up  if you mix n match  ,   they say the board is type tested with their own breakers on board  so fitting a "rogue"  causes them to wet themselves .   

but if the manufacturer isn’t around anymore  :innocent

 

[Evans Electric]

Ah  never thought of that  !!        But in today's Britain  it will certainly upset someone  

 

[Phoenix]

I imagine most are clever enough to let it be the elephant in the room rather than express an opinion on it.

The whole do not mix and match does have merit to it, different designs might have different compatability issues and certainly busbar heights can vary, and we have all seen some rough as badgers arse attempts, but when you have two breakers in front of you, all the mouldings are identical, the baords they fit into are identical, and you know they came out of the same production process and were just silk screen printed differently, you can't really say there is a risk there.

I think a scheme critising as such would be seen as regimentally insane, and risk  the whole do not mix and match advice being given contempt, whereas an attempt to condone it would be seen as being reless to safety by the manufacturers who will parrot the same lines, far better for them to keep quiet and let the guy at the coalface make judgement.

 

[kerching]

@binky

i think i may have some and possible some RCBOs also...what do you need?

 

[binky]

@binky

i think i may have some and possible some RCBOs also...what do you need?

don't know yet, I'm trying to get the full cert  - the inspector seems to think about 6 ccts are over-fused. However, I suspect the inspector maybe wrong as the install seems quite original and untouched??. One observation about 'plug-in MCBs' fuses being incapable of taking the PFC was interesting, the board needed condemning for IP rating where the cover was missing which wasn't mentined at all. The company , nice people, have been trained to test, but aren't electricans in there own right.

 

[kerching]

One observation about 'plug-in MCBs' fuses being incapable of taking the PFC was interesting, t

The original button Wylex ones were only good for 1kA if I remember rightly

 

[Evans Electric]

Yes I remember that being an issue .   

 

[Andy™]

The original button Wylex ones were only good for 1kA if I remember rightly

the 3036 fuse it would hve replaced would probably be 1ka anyway

 

[kerching]

the 3036 fuse it would hve replaced would probably be 1ka anyway

Good point!

nobody used to bother about Ipf and other such stuff, back in the day

 

[Bruspark]

Good point!

nobody used to bother about Ipf and other such stuff, back in the day

Absolutely   Remember open fuse wire carriers . .

 

[Evans Electric]

I think , back in the day ,  there were around 100,000,000  less things to worry about regarding rules & regs .  

I remember an incident that must have heralded the beginning of the  The Great Increase in Rules & Regs .

Its was actually two non compliances picked up by the NIC man   back then  ,  I was a foreman  for a contracting firm  then , had to take the guy round  a job .

1)    At the mains we had some  4 X 4   metal trunking  and we'd branched off it with some 2 X 2 ...   the spark had made a cut out in the 4 X 4  , bolted a 2x2  flange on  and he had some grommet strip  cut  ready to fit in the hole .            The inspector reported it as "not  conforming  "    ,  trunking hole without grommet strip ,   "Theres the   Strip , right there" I'm saying ...."No  its not in the hole " says he . !!! 

2)   Then he ,s looking at a 32mm  KO box  for a switch  , in a stud wall ,plasterboard, wired in pyro  .   The plasterboard sat on top of the box ,  Inspector says the  box  should be  flush with the front of the board ...because a fire could start in the switch  & catch the paper edge  of the cut board and the whole wall would be on fire .   :C   I think that when I started to give up .