Part P changes possibly

[Megaohm7]

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[Lee321]

time and time again. "i've tried to fit a light fitting and it stays on all the time" typical job.

its this have a go myself attitude thats been stamped out by gas regs pretty much just not ours.

been in the industry a long time and feel it will never go this way. been hoping for a long time too

 

[Manator]

A recent "survey" come "investigation" into part p concluded that it was the publics awareness that was lacking, followed by builders who openly ignore the regulations, then there is the point that was made about home owners knowing the regulations but would rather pay uncle John, or a mate from the pub as it is cheaper. When part p came out I worked for two local councils on enforcement of part p because they had no enforcement officers trained at that time, after a one day course two were now considered qualified to enforce part p. Cheaper than having me do a report! I would like to see any one of them in court, without the EW training they would quickly come unstuck, thats how hard it is to police or enforce.

However in one form or another part p is here to stay.

 

[androiduk2002]

I really wish we could get someone that makes these kind of decissions from either the government or Summit or JIB or EIC on here at to listen to "real problems" that normal electricians have to deal with day to day and the trouble it has become to even get in to the trade the way they want you to ! ! !

 

[Andy™]

followed by builders who openly ignore the regulations, t

had a good one with a builder a few weeks ago.

last year he asked me to price wiring an extension (funnily enough, i had already priced the job a year earlier for another builder). too expensive

few weeks ago get asked 'all wiring is done, when can you can sign it off'

'ill test it, but you will have to get LABC to sign it off'

didnt get the job.

he says another spark done it. i hope so - ive had to fix some of the builders work in the past and its dangerous.

i.e he wired a light in conservatory. FCU next to socket to switch then to light. i get 0V L-E, L-N & N-E at light. yet my tester is warning that neutral is live. anyone want to take a guess at at why i got these readings? (i may have already posted this fault a while back... cant rememeber. but if i did, no cheating!)

 

[Manator]

I really wish we could get someone that makes these kind of decissions from either the government or Summit or JIB or EIC on here at to listen to "real problems" that normal electricians have to deal with day to day and the trouble it has become to even get in to the trade the way they want you to ! ! !

They are fully aware of the situation, there have been letters posted in voltimum and the ESC receive letters all the time.

This forum reaches parts others can not, to coin a well used phrase or slogan.

 

[ktguk]

I have worked for a large multinational, I have all My C&G barring 2391, but no NVQ, as I quit partly due to the fabrication of NVQ work around Me. I can install most things on bigger jobs, just dont have the NVQ to prove it.Andy

but someone that has just come out of training should have the NVQ to prove it, not just a part p quick course. your c&g's are more than enough, because you didnt have the problem of 2 week/1 month courses when you were completing them

 

[Zeespark]

I can certainly see where you are coming from KT, but its the fact that there have been so many changes in the last 12 years or so, that sparkies are really getting fed up with the chopping and changing.

Andy

 

[ktguk]

I can certainly see where you are coming from KT, but its the fact that there have been so many changes in the last 12 years or so, that sparkies are really getting fed up with the chopping and changing.Andy

i agee, its not clear what is a qualified electrician all depends when you did your course and/or what the scam providers ask for e.g. if was not in this industry then i did a quick course and got accepted on to a part P scheme id consider myself qualified but everyone on heres nows id no where near good/safe enough to go alone or join a company and be put on the same rate as the rest of the sparks

 

[gordy71]

I was told by my Elecsa assessor last week that nvq 3 will be required to become a QS. Personally i think this is a step in the right direction. However there are several other large steps to also be taken as you guys have already pointed out. As for the unqualified guys going underground, well i think the ones that are currently not registered are underground already and therefore pose no more of a threat. And those who are starting out and have no intentions of getting nvq 3 will struggle to build a reputable business anyway. Yes, i agree it is a pain in the backside, but i think the public are starting to become more vigilant about what contractors they employ but far too many remain uneducated. Why has there not been a campaign to educate people? All we can do is carry on spreading the part p love

 

[Megaohm7]

i have my assessment coming up in a few weeks i will get it from the horses mouth.if they implement this then the industry will be in trouble and will not be able to police the part p

all the guys not having nvq 3 will go underground,,,,still do a good job produce certs but not notify

lets be honest how many customers give a t#ss ?????

please refer to my signature for further ref.

Have you got Tony for your assessment mate?

 

[sprocketflup]

So I started my electrical training in 2008, did a 12 week full time course to get my 2330 lvl 2, then did the 17th, then about 9 months later did another course to get 2392 T+I, and have spent most of the rest of the time working with old time sparks in order to learn my nitty gritty.

Does that automatically make me a bad sparks?

 

[green-hornet]

No, its those who do not care and rush a job through to get to the next, or those who say " that will do" knowing it does not.

Like I have said before, if you take pride in your work I doubt any one could be a bad spark.

 

[Theorysparky]

Have you got Tony for your assessment mate?

yep as usual

nice bloke

15th April

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good theres too many two week course "electricians" out there under cutting everyone

really ????

or is it your'e over pricing ???????

 

[androiduk2002]

So I started my electrical training in 2008, did a 12 week full time course to get my 2330 lvl 2, then did the 17th, then about 9 months later did another course to get 2392 T+I, and have spent most of the rest of the time working with old time sparks in order to learn my nitty gritty.Does that automatically make me a bad sparks?

No, as GH says a bad sparks can be determined by many factors , do you follow the regs ? Do you cut corners ? Do you leave a job thinking that will do ? Do you use quality equipment made to the proper British Standards ? If you was unsure of something would you ask or would you do what you "think is best" ?

What I am impressed to see I have highlighted in red.

This is a quote from someone working within the industry that has an offical input into setting the standards "what has been happening is people have been getting their 2330 Part 2 registering with a Part P scheme setting them selves up as an electrician and not really knowing what they are doing and ended up doing more harm than good" one example quoted to me was so called "sparks" that didnt know anymore than the 2330 part 2 chasing a wall to 50 mm just to run his cables in , making the wall dangerously weak ! because he had read in his OSG that if they wasnt they had to be RCD protected and he thought that ment it was ok to cut 2/3s through an internal load bearing wall ! ! !

This is why the structure of courses is being changed to make sure that people learn the stuff that cannot be taught in colleges from actually having to work on site with a "Qualified Electrician" .which you are doing. :Applaud :Applaud:Applaud:Applaud:Applaud:Applaud.

but then again I am still doing my 2330 Part 2 so what do I know :Blushing :Blushing:Blushing

 

[septiclecky]

The one thing I don't think people have picked up on is if they are registered with one of the scams as a QS but don't have the necessary qualification to become a QS, if they get peed off with that scam they are stuck as they will not be able to join another until they get that qualification.

 

[Megaohm7]

yep as usualnice bloke

15th April

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really ????

or is it your'e over pricing ???????

Good luck on the 15th You don't need it really as you will be fine and know what to expect. Coffee and chocolate biscuits is the order of the day. On the NVQ level3 requirement I'm sure the assessor told me that if you was already registered then this did not apply to you. Maybe worth asking Tony when you see him on the 15th mate.

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No, as GH says a bad sparks can be determined by many factors , do you follow the regs ? Do you cut corners ? Do you leave a job thinking that will do ? Do you use quality equipment made to the proper British Standards ? If you was unsure of something would you ask or would you do what you "think is best" ?What I am impressed to see I have highlighted in red.

This is a quote from someone working within the industry that has an offical input into setting the standards "what has been happening is people have been getting their 2330 Part 2 registering with a Part P scheme setting them selves up as an electrician and not really knowing what they are doing and ended up doing more harm than good" one example quoted to me was so called "sparks" that didnt know anymore than the 2330 part 2 chasing a wall to 50 mm just to run his cables in , making the wall dangerously weak ! because he had read in his OSG that if they wasnt they had to be RCD protected and he thought that ment it was ok to cut 2/3s through an internal load bearing wall ! ! !

This is why the structure of courses is being changed to make sure that people learn the stuff that cannot be taught in colleges from actually having to work on site with a "Qualified Electrician" .which you are doing. :Applaud :Applaud:Applaud:Applaud:Applaud:Applaud.

but then again I am still doing my 2330 Part 2 so what do I know :Blushing :Blushing:Blushing

2330 lvl3 a bit more in depth but I do agree that working with other sparks gives you experience but can sometimes teach you bad habits. When I've done testing with other sparks they have gone about it completely different to how I was taught in college but I can see why they've done it. It's quicker!! for a start. I've been lucky to have worked with a few sparks that have taught me a few tricks of the trade but it is when you're out there on the tools that's when the learning really begins.

 

[sprocketflup]

Yeah, know what you mean Megaohm7

Think what I was trying to say is that not all fast-tracked 'lectricains are automatically gonna be dangerous/stoopid/useless. I hope Im not, havent willingly cut any corners yet, and the only thing Ive been pulled up on so far was not leaving enough cable slack between temp strip lights on a building site where they were gonna have to be moved around at some point

 

[Megaohm7]

The one thing I don't think people have picked up on is if they are registered with one of the scams as a QS but don't have the necessary qualification to become a QS, if they get peed off with that scam they are stuck as they will not be able to join another until they get that qualification.

Very true!!

 

[steptoe]

So I started my electrical training in 2008, did a 12 week full time course to get my 2330 lvl 2, then did the 17th, then about 9 months later did another course to get 2392 T+I, and have spent most of the rest of the time working with old time sparks in order to learn my nitty gritty.Does that automatically make me a bad sparks?

:Applaud

thats what we like to hear,

people actually realising that once you get your exams the real learning begins.