PAT - Oven

[Oracle]

All,

I have been asked to PAT an oven - and only an oven (rented house)

I don't know much about the oven yet - except its a domestic one.

Its years since I have done any PAT - and then it wasn't on anything like an oven.

What tests should I do? Earth (hard test) and IR, functional?

Do I issue the register and test record - just for this one item?

How much would you charge for this one item? (its local to me)

O.

 

[Andy™]

all paperwork should be done. charge your min charge

 

[stephenf8542]

Is the oven hard wired or plug in?

 

[Oracle]

hi there,

I'm not sure. But it doesn't make any difference, bar the load testing.

O.

 

[Apache]

hi there, I'm not sure. But it doesn't make any difference, bar the load testing.

O.

it's not a very 'portable' appliance if hard wired...............

:|

 

[sparkyrj]

Pat testing is as the name says , for portable appliances ,ie connected via a plug top.The oven could be tested for safety fair enough, but it wouldnt come under pat testing rules as far as records of results required surely if it were hard wired.

 

[The Godfather]

My boys view would be, that if it is fitted with a plug (accessible) then treat as a Portable Device.

If it is hard wired, verify earth continuity back to the supply.

I am aware some electricians will go to the trouble of disconnection, to complete all tests.

The Godfather

 

[green-hornet]

I do some care homes in my area and for their anual insurance all electrical items have to be tested.

The cookers are normaly electric and I do have to disconnect, its a pain but goes with the job, only downside is that all fixed wiring is not meant to be repeatedly disconnected and if lack of care could lead to problems with connections.

Such are the rules some people have, and us who know better are treated like idiots.

 

[Evans Electric]

IMO Its not portable so its not PAT testing. Its a straight forward safety check for earth continuity and an insulation test ( Which could be interesting on a cooker!!) and loop impedance on the terminals ,I guess. Hopfully any electronic timers will withstand a 500v insulation test.

If it does have a plug on it ,do you have your own PAT tester, if so just follow the instructions .

If its hard wired I'd charge 4 hours at your rate.

 

[Oracle]

No offense guys.... but some of you are a bit out of date.

PAT is not just portable appliances anymore.... its not actually called PAT anymore... its "in-service inspection and testing of electrical equipment".

This covers everything from little handheld appliances to built in appliances (such as ovens, heaters, factory equipment, etc) - even if hard wired.

This is where doing the 2377 helps

O.

 

[Andy™]

If its hard wired I'd charge 4 hours at your rate.

how long does it take you to disconnect & reconnect an oven?!

 

[Evans Electric]

I know I'm out of date for years, but in your OP you asked about PAT testing an oven, as far as I knew PAT meant Portable Appliance Testing . I don't even know what the 2377 is I'm afraid . Perhaps I'd best keep my mouth shut. :|

 

[Andy™]

I know I'm out of date for years, but in your OP you asked about PAT testing an oven, as far as I knew PAT meant Portable Appliance Testing . I don't even know what the 2377 is I'm afraid . Perhaps I'd best keep my mouth shut. :|

the correct term for PAT is 'in-service inspection and testing of electrical equipment' as Oracle says. it doesnt always mean portable. it includes stuff hard wired, but id like to see a company offering a test for

 

[Evans Electric]

So these factories that I look after but whom do not use me to PAT test should be having all their printing presses, guillotines, folders, stitchers, etc tested at PAT test time then. The kid they send would be dead inside the control panel in 5 mins.

 

[Andy™]

they should be tested. either as part of a PIR or PAT

 

[Oracle]

Again, with electrics, there is no legal requirement to test anything.

But its all about mitigating liability, health and safety compliance, etc... periodic testing of these "appliances" is one way of keeping your insurance company, HSE, and a court happy, that you have complied with your obligation to protect people and their enviroment - or some bollox like that lol

Completely agree, most 16 year old testers have no idea - they simply plug the tester in and hit start!

If its hard wire, where possible, you disconnect the supply cable/flex (normally fused spurs, etc). It gets more fun with 3 phase

O.

 

[The Godfather]

Again, with electrics, there is no legal requirement to test anything.

That really does need to change.

Surely any life(lives) saved as a result of 'minor' testing is a worthwhile contribution to society ?

The Godfather

 

[Andy™]

That really does need to change.Surely any life(lives) saved as a result of 'minor' testing is a worthwhile contribution to society ?

The Godfather

but it costs too much. remember, everything these days is money OVER safety, not the other way! (and if you want proof: PME/TNCS)

 

[extension15]

I find it hard to sperate an immersion heater from a hard wired built in cooker..

Just my opinion, like..



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