PIR - observation codes

[matt.leung]

just going through a PIR that i carried out today, and I am trying to work out what code you would issue to

non - IP rated lights in the bathroom. There are 5 in total, one above the shower.

at present i have coded it as 1 (one). do u guy's agree

 

[Sidewinder]

No mate probably a 4 given the info you have given here and my experience.

At worst a 2.

However I have not seen the install you have, though I find it hard to imagine making it a 1, sorry.

 

[Andy™]

how high is the ceiling?

if its above 2.25m, then there is no requirement for IP rated

depending on exact situation, hard to justify code 1. id say 2 at worst

 

[Zeespark]

2 at the worst, 1 would be if there is a great big gaping hole into the electrical guts of said lights.

AndyGuinness

 

[matt.leung]

its just because one of them is located above the shower....

 

[Sidewinder]

Well that in its own right is really only a 4!

 

[kme]

Agreed - can`t give that a 1 really, tbh - although, as said, YOU are signing the PIR, so you have the responsibility for it - which means you also need to be able to justify it.

I`m about to start a thread, with some photos taken on a recent PIR - I was going to put the code I`d given, but guesses as to the code could be useful as an exercise, if anyone wishes?????

KME

 

[NozSpark]

I'd go with a 4

I had a similar one today,,, light switch in a bathroom 1.9m away from the bath so it's out of zones,, so while I wouldn't install it there myself there is nothing wrong with it,,, it hasn't got RCD protection or supplementary bonding either all I'm going to be doing is adding supplementary bonding:|

 

[Andy™]

Agreed - can`t give that a 1 really, tbh - although, as said, YOU are signing the PIR, so you have the responsibility for it - which means you also need to be able to justify it.I`m about to start a thread, with some photos taken on a recent PIR - I was going to put the code I`d given, but guesses as to the code could be useful as an exercise, if anyone wishes?????

KME

maybe just post the pics for now, see what others say first

 

[Sidewinder]

Keep the codes quiet KME it will be a good exercise, as long as everyone behaves and realises that they only have "part" of the information.

 

[Andy™]

starting to feel like were doing KME's work.

next PIR, maybe ill just go in, take pics of everything, post here and let you lot do the work

 

[Sidewinder]

Sounds good to me Andy!

Though I know KME has send his in to his customer already, so, there can be no changes now!

 

[kme]

Thanks mate - as said, report is already in (all 200+ pages of it!!!!!) ; so I`ve put this up purely as a learning exercise, if anyone is interested.

Remember, there aren`t any definitive "right" or "wrong" answers - each person codes according to what they see, and how they interpret.

KME

 

[Badger]

surely if low voltage then the lights couldnt be coded as thats not actually dangerous

 

[Sidewinder]

Badge,

Please remember that 400V a.c. is low voltage! ]

 

[ProDave]

Just another PIR question (as I don't think it's worthy of it's own thread):

Small industrial unit, 3 phase board, all wired in galv conduit.

Everything okay, except 13A ring mains wired in 2.5mm solid core cable.

I would always use multi strand conduit cable.

Would solid cored cable in galv conduit warrant any mention or not? All tests okay.

 

[Andy™]

T&E? not really any different from in trunking tbh. not even worth noting

 

[Sidewinder]

The old conduit cable was solid I have some in my lock up, I looked at it just yesterday!

 

[Doc Hudson]

its just because one of them is located above the shower....

Without seeing the manufactures installation instructions it may be difficult to even justify a 4. How old is the installation? For a very long time bathroom lights with open 100w bulbs traditional open shades fitted on pendant or batten holders screwed above the baths have survived without electrocuting someone or igniting a property. How great is the hazard? A code 1 is an immediate danger, such as exposed live parts etc.

Doc H.

 

[kme]

Dave: I might, depending on its condition, put in down as "obs" - i.e. no code to be given (for whatever reason), but worthy of note......