points served on certs

[eeb1933]

hi all

when filling out certs in the column points served do you class a double socket as one point or two? i thought it would be one but lately found others putting two for doubles. also lighting you just count how many pendants there are for points served?

 

[Andy™]

one point for doubles. although some argue it should be 2. for lights, the number of lights, not switches

 

[Theorysparky]

i recently saw a pir counting doubles as two points

tried to find 16 sockets,,, only found 8 click........

 

[eeb1933]

cheers guys

 

[Barx]

You find different people doing different things. I was once testing for a contractor who wanted doubles as 2, FCU + skt as 2. lighting was fittings and switches. My question to him was is a 2 gang switch 1 or 2 :S

 

[M107]

I was taught to count a double sso as 2 points.

 

[green-hornet]

I have always counted double sockets as 1 point.

My guide to this is I count all points that have a phase,neutral and earth.

So the way I would fill them in is 1 point for each socket outlet, 1 point for every fused spur, 1 point for every light fitting.

I do not count light switches unless they are the pir type that require a neutral to operate.

Its just my way of doing it, and I know others do it differently but if all points have a live/nuetral and earth it avoids some confusion when trying to find suitable testing points.

 

[maffematics]

I have always counted double sockets as 2 and light fitings as 1 and dont count standard light switches but what Green-Hornet says makes sence and will probably start using that method

 

[Theorysparky]

I have always counted double sockets as 1 point.My guide to this is I count all points that have a phase,neutral and earth.

So the way I would fill them in is 1 point for each socket outlet, 1 point for every fused spur, 1 point for every light fitting.

I do not count light switches unless they are the pir type that require a neutral to operate.

Its just my way of doing it, and I know others do it differently but if all points have a live/nuetral and earth it avoids some confusion when trying to find suitable testing points.

That has to be the best justified explanation ive heard on this topic

nice

 

[WarrenG]

The book 'The NICEIC guide to Domestic Inspection, Testing & Reporting' it states the following on page 127:

3.10.5 Number of points served

Record the number of items of current-using equipment or socket-outlets on the circuit (note: a twin socket-outlet counts as 2 outlets)

Must admit I always used to count a socket as 1 based on Green Hornets theory, just one set of connections.

 

[Janice]

May I ask why anybody is bothering to fill this in? It's an NICEIC thing - you won't find a column for this on the sample "Schedule of Test Results" in the BRB. It's pretty immaterial, anyway. How useful is the information?

Just my take on this.

J.

 

[Andy™]

May I ask why anybody is bothering to fill this in? It's an NICEIC thing - you won't find a column for this on the sample "Schedule of Test Results" in the BRB. It's pretty immaterial, anyway. How useful is the information?Just my take on this.

J.

only thing it could be useful for is if you do a re-wire, and someone then adds more sockets (badly) then claims you installed them - number of sockets in house wouldnt match cert. but then it depends which counting scheme your going to

 

[Riggy]

May I ask why anybody is bothering to fill this in? It's an NICEIC thing - you won't find a column for this on the sample "Schedule of Test Results" in the BRB. It's pretty immaterial, anyway. How useful is the information?Just my take on this.

J.

Glad you said that was beginning to think I had faulty certificates! If it's NIC thing why doesn't a member ask them:

a. What's the point?

b. What's a point?

 

[batty]

only thing it could be useful for is if you do a re-wire, and someone then adds more sockets (badly) then claims you installed them - number of sockets in house wouldnt match cert. but then it depends which counting scheme your going to

Or you could write that in the remarks part on the schedule at the end ie amount of ds or ss.

Batty

 

[green-hornet]

May I ask why anybody is bothering to fill this in? It's an NICEIC thing - you won't find a column for this on the sample "Schedule of Test Results" in the BRB. It's pretty immaterial, anyway. How useful is the information?Just my take on this.

J.

My only reason for filling in this part of the forms is this.

I have recorded and dated certificates showing all points I have fitted backed up with continuity readings to prove should it become neccesary of what I am responsible for installing.

Never needed it yet but you never know

 

[the doctor]

hi

the regulation definition goes...p27 BS7671

point (in wiring) a termination of the fixed wiring intended for the connection of current using equipment

my opinion....

single socket- 1

double socket- 1

one light - 1

two fittings in lounge-2

on lights i ignore any switches:coat

best wishes

alan