Q.Supervisor nvq lvl 3 from jan 2012

[soulman]

hi just a bit of info about the new requirements:

The industry bodies represented on the EAS Management Committee have agreed the requirements for new Qualified Supervisors that will be introduced in January 2012.

On January 1st, Level 3 NVQ Certificate in Installing, Testing and Ensuring Compliance of Electrical Installation Work in Dwellings will be the minimum qualification level for Qualified Supervisors responsible for electrical work carried out in domestic properties which comes under Part P of the Building Regulations (for England and Wales).

The minimum requirement for Qualified Supervisors that are responsible for all types of electrical installation will be the new Level 3 NVQ Diploma in Installing Electrotechnical Systems and Equipment (Building and Structures).

Individuals who already have a competency-based qualification recognised by the EAS Management Committee will not have to take the new qualification if they are applying to become a new Qualified Supervisor after 1st January 2012.

An electrotechnical NVQ Level 3 will become the industry recognised standard for electrical work in the UK. There are a number of routes to achieve this standard. This is a move towards safer, better practice in the UK electrical installation industry.

What about practising Qualified Supervisors appointed pre-January 2012?

The requirement only applies to all new applications for Qualified Supervisors after 1st January 2012, and it will not affect those who are currently holders of the post, or new Qualifying Supervisors appointed before 1st January 2012.

What about past holders of the Qualified Supervisor role (not currently responsible)?

If you have been a registered Qualified Supervisor within the last two years for an employer,

you will be eligible to be nominated as a Qualified Supervisor for a new employer.

About the EAS Management Committee

This decision was passed by the industry

 

[Zeespark]

Right, Part P and a majority of forum members here:

How, if you are going in to self employed, can you gain an NVQ - you cant?

NVQs can be forged.

To be self employed would mean that you are your own QS, or am I barking up the wrong tree here?

This ruling will mean everything going backwards not forwards, the barn door being closed after the horse is bolted.

This is not what I spent 3 years in college, and 12 years on and off on site, to sign up for.

Rant over.

AndyGuinness

 

[ktguk]

so could a DI not moved to a approved contractor?

its not ideal but a step in the right direction at least these 5 week courses and your a spark will be finished with, NVQs can be forged the max time youe aloud is 2 years i think, i did mine in 9months not forged, just luck to be working somewhere witha good spread of work, this will at least slow them down or they will realise somthing is wrong when a test centre passes 20 NVQs all the same in 4 weeks

 

[Zeespark]

A part of the problem is the way that the NVQ in the electrical industry is set up. For this to work properly KT, then I tend to think that the NVQ needs to be split into domestic installs as one NVQ and another for commercial/industrial. This is because generally, if you do mostly domestic, then you arent likely to get enough ind/comm work on a regular basis to be able to complete your log book.

Just My thoughts.

AndyGuinness

 

[Manator]

I do understand your frustrations, however the IET, along with other representatives like ECA, the NICEIC, amongst others, all agreed that something had to be done. This is not a new thing, its been on the cards since the loopholes found with the introduction of Part P, were first highlighted. As with any "new" thing, it takes time to get it into a working draft for approval. If you have followed a recognised route to becoming an electrician, this new ruling will have little effect on you, even if you have not got the NVQ 3, an equivalent qualification will satisfy this requirement.

It was also decided to give "grandfather rights" to those who have not got this qualification, simply because to enforce the ruling across the board would mean that some businesses would have to stop trading.

It may well be a case of too little too late, but a cap has to be put on the open bottle. The safety of the public has to be put first, and I do also agree that the electrical industry has been caught with a little egg on their faces.

The assessment process is also under review, as it always is, a recent survey will show what you the electricians think about this, some of you have posted that you have received your questionnaire.

As for faking NVQ's I will not deny that this is going on, but, any training establishment found doing this will be removed from providing training, and anyone attending that training centre will not be recognised as passing any examination. Until such time as improvements are made, and they are fully compliant with all the guidelines.

I actually supported Part P, in principle, when it came out, but quickly realised that something had to be done, not only to establish Part P as an everyday word, but to ensure those who are registered under the scheme to be proficient and suitably experienced.

Believe it or not, those who discuss these things will listen to what you have to say, and they will always try to address any fears, or questions you may have, gaining the NVQ 3, may be one of the things that will come up in discussions, and methods of getting this qualification may be addressed.

Like all new measures, some will support it, and some will not like it at all.

 

[soulman]

hi sorry i posted in wrong section, should have been in electrician talk not questions & answers. Anyway i have also heard that there is to be a domestic installers course at level 3 instead of the current level 2. If you think about, all the part p schemes are there to make money they are not going to create a situation where there revenue goes down. They will just offer an additional course to level 3 standard to comply. I chose to change career at 37 and decided on the college route one day a week 2330 3 years. After 2 years i found an electrician to go out with a couple of days a week for experience, i done my nvq lvl 3 with him, then my am2, and 17th edition. i finish my 2330 in july this year. i think it is upto the individual on what route they take, but i find it unbelievable that anyone should be able to work on the electrical system within a domestic property after completing a five day or 5 week course. I think electricity should have the same classification as gas. And the government should make the public aware of just how dangerous it is. And heavily regulate it. i telephoned elecsa last week and was amazed that they would accept a person on their scheme with just the 17th edition and a five day course. How would joe public know he was letting a person into his property with limited experience and training. I now consider myself to be a real spark especially after i completed the am2 which is a tough exam. however i will always need the advice of other more experience sparks especially when you hit a problem your not familiar with. No offence to anyone who has done the 5 day course i do realise that everyones circumstance are different.

 

[Zeespark]

Manator, I have zero issue with what you are saying, in fact I fully support it, but I was quoted

 

[apprentice87]

Hi Manator, You say that "even if you have not got the NVQ 3, an equivalent qualification will satisfy this requirement" Any idea what the equivalent qualification is??

Thanks

john...

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Forgot to say, Yes, it is correct, if you are self employed you cannot do an NVQ. I know, because I had this problem once before, but i knew a girl that had an NVQ 3 in hairdressing without ever having had a job. I asked her how could this be possible, and she told me that they had set up a hairdressers at the college and people use to go in and get a free haircut so this counted!! Sounds like cheating to me, but there you go!!

 

[Brian 157]

Hi Manator, You say that "even if you have not got the NVQ 3, an equivalent qualification will satisfy this requirement" Any idea what the equivalent qualification is??Thanks

john...

---------- Post Auto-Merged at 10:03 ---------- Previous post was made at 09:59 ----------

Forgot to say, Yes, it is correct, if you are self employed you cannot do an NVQ. I know, because I had this problem once before, but i knew a girl that had an NVQ 3 in hairdressing without ever having had a job. I asked her how could this be possible, and she told me that they had set up a hairdressers at the college and people use to go in and get a free haircut so this counted!! Sounds like cheating to me, but there you go!!

I would guess if you have a pre 2330/2356 qualification such as 2360 pts 1 & 2, AM1, AM2, 2382 & 2391 or are already the holder of an ECS "gold" card with grading as an electrician or approved electrician you should be ok.

The 2356 NVQ has never allowed "simulation" as an assessment method so you can't use college workshop work for the NVQ, the college opening a hairdressing salon is a way of making work at college "real" rather than simulation, so is deemed to be ok by the awarding bodies.