Qualified Supervisor Status

[Grey Master]

As I understood things, last year the NICEIC said that all QS's would need to be qualified up to 17th edition by the end of Dec 2010.

That deadline gone:

Have they enforced that decision?

Has any QS been stripped of the title?

Are the certificates they have counter-signed worthless?

I ask because the company I work for have a QS who, despite repeated pushing, failed the update course and has not been bothered to try again headbang

Also NICNAC's haven't done their annual visit, are they avoiding the issue???

 

[septiclecky]

He's a QS and failed the 17th update course ?Am I reading this correctly ?

That's what I read he failed the update course:Neil

 

[batty]

wow even i managed to pass the 17th update course.

 

[steptoe]

can he read?

I passed the full 17th,

you can only fail if you cant read,

they allow you to take the answer book in with you FFS.!!!

 

[NozSpark]

What,,,, he failed 2382-20 ?? ROTFWL :slap

 

[kme]

I didn`t think that exam WAS "failable" FFS

And the guy is a QS?

What, I wonder, is the most inventive and apt suggestion of the phrase that this particular acronym refers to?

For my 1st go: Qwap Spwarky......

 

[Grey Master]

Yes you all did read that correctly - He Failed!!

What is more, all the relevant sections were tagged and highlighted from when I did mine in 2009!(naughty I know but the instructor on the course said it would be alright ray )

So after months of nagging he fails and then doesn't bother trying again but he is still officially QS and getting paid the same!

Still no sign of the NICNAC's visit, anyone else missing their rep??

 

[chrishaworth]

It's now over 2 years since I was last assessed. I assumed that, because of my encyclopedic knowledge of the regs and impeccable workmanship, NIC had moved me onto a 3 year cycle. Thinking about it, it's more likely due to my remote location and a shortage of assessors.

Cheers, Chris

 

[Megaohm7]

If he isnt up to the current regs and he's still a QS, wouldn't that have any implications with the insurance companies of any work he signed off? Was the fella dyslexic or something that he didnt pass the update?

 

[kme]

To be recited in a whining tone:

"We can`t do that.......its too hard. It isn`t fair".

Which, as a by-product, would have lowered revenue for the scam providers, `cos they couldn`t have accepted them.

So.....All you need to do is prove you can read a book, and answer questions on it (I think I did that when I was 6)

AH! The O/P shows that to be wrong, too........"All you need to do is pay `em"?

Do I win a prize or summat now?

 

[Evans Electric]

It's now over 2 years since I was last assessed. I assumed that, because of my encyclopedic knowledge of the regs and impeccable workmanship, NIC had moved me onto a 3 year cycle. Thinking about it, it's more likely due to my remote location and a shortage of assessors.Cheers, Chris

Ah yes Mr Haworth lives in Tomintoul which is a remote village in the Moray Council area of the Highlands. It is actually the highest village in the Highlands at 500,000 feet above kilt level. It has a population of 322.

The reason for the lack of assessments is that the village only appears once every 10 years and is accessible for one day . The musical Brigadoon is based on this place .

 

[Voltimax]

None of the schemes can force anyone to take a 2382.

As far as I'm aware part p only states that people undertaking electrical work must work to the current BS 7671. So as long as they have the book and their work complies with it, there's not a lot the schemes can do to be honest and that's why they don't push it, legally they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. At the end of the day if they pushed, they'd lose members and they most definitely don't want that now do they?

It also isn't a requirement for an NICEIC approved contractor AC QS to hold a 2391. Before anyone disagrees with that statement I know of several AC QS's that don't hold it.

In my opinion there are other more important qualifications a QS should have. I mean 2382 is the minimum requirement for entry to the schemes and let's face it, that's a joke.

 

[NozSpark]

Come on Volti,,

You know that the schemes can put whatever they like in their membership rules and if they require you to have passed the current regs exam then thats that..

The NICEIC (along with some of the others) did initially require people tobhave passed the current regs by the end of 2010, but that has been put aside - probably because they would loose too much money because they would have to kick out too many members

 

[Sidewinder]

The problem is, it's a restriction to trade thing if they force qualification upgrades.

It can be done by professional institutions as a term of membership but that has to be made clear upon or prior to application.

This is known as continuous professional development, CPD, all registered professional bodies require this.

However, if one of the Scam bodies implement this then the registered members of that body will simply move to another registration scheme.

They are simply not willing to get together and implement this as they are afraid that if one dropped out then they would get all the members, so yes it is simply a commercial decision.

There is no quality or safety considerations what so ever.

 

[Voltimax]

Come on Volti,,You know that the schemes can put whatever they like in their membership rules and if they require you to have passed the current regs exam then thats that..

No I disagree. I think that if someone had the balls to challenge it, legally they'd be knackered.

It's no different to when you have a contract with a customer. If the customer won't pay you and it goes to court and the judge finds something in your contract that he feels is unfair, even though your customer signed it they would win and you would lose. This is fact as it was told to me and a room full of people by a trading standards representative. Trouble is just because the schemes say it has to be so, like sheep, most believe it.