shower connection

[dan.]

ive been asked to do the final connections for a shower,all the wire has been run already, just needs a mini CU connecting up and the pull cord and finally connect the shower.ive told them i need to see ALL of the cable to make sure it aint in a dodgy place and make sure all bonds are in place.would you quote for this type of work?assuming all is ok(lol)its probably a couple hours work and a part p cert.what would you quote? its in manchester area.

 

[Theorysparky]

How long will it take you to do that ???

no materials involved ,,, half day rate i would have thought

 

[NozSpark]

Dan,

You aren't allowed to sign off someone elses work!

However as we replace CU's etc all the time it can be done with a bit of creative paperwork..... all you have to do on the bit where it asks you what you did is say "final connection of ..... & ..... inc. installation of dedicated CU at supply (cable runs not installed or inspected)"

That's what you've done, that's what you're signing for!

 

[dan.]

like it. I thought half day rate too.

 

[batty]

Be careful Dan after all you are signing for the work. You will need a three part certificate as you did not design the circuit who ever did that will need to sign that part. Construction is debateable as you only constructed part of it. You will have to sign the testing part. I did a final connection a while back. The chap that did most of the work should have to sign the design and construction I am still waiting after about 4 months. He obviosly does not want to put his name to the work. I will not do this again.

Batty

 

[Apache]

How is this different to moving a shower? You'd use existing wiring then?

 

[batty]

How is this different to moving a shower? You'd use existing wiring then?

This is installing a new circuit if I have read thread right.

Batty

 

[SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH]

This is installing a new circuit if I have read thread right.Batty

Not quite. Its for connecting an existing cable. You probably do this often

 

[NozSpark]

Not quite. Its for connecting an existing cable. You probably do this often

Exactly what I was saying, you just have to write your cert to define the work (and only the work) that you did; you can then sign for design, construction & testing for the bit that you did, but not for the actual installation of the cable its self.

I know it's splitting hairs, but if you change a CU that's how you'd certify it .... you can test the circuits, but you can only guess as to how they have been installed

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Not quite. Its for connecting an existing cable. You probably do this often

existing cable as in previously installed & tested circuit

e.g. As in replacing a faulty shower.....

Like for like,

Test & cert..

BUT in which case... not part P notifiable... like -4- like ???

OR is this a new circuit... never used nor tested previous?

the worms.... the can.... the can.... the worms....?

heads they win... tails you loose?

you pays your money.... and takes your pick??

could be dodgey..............

could all be fine.....

Spec Loc...........

the fence rider on this one...

maybe yes... (if so loadsa money gotta be paid)..

maybe no... Just write it off and walk away? :| ?:| :| ?:| :| ?:| :zGuiness DrinkPray

 

[batty]

I think this is a little bit different to changing a fuse box. This is a new circuit, cable has been installed by someone else. I would not be happy doing this unless I had seen the installation of the cable.

Batty

 

[SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH]

As long as you note down what you have done on the cert your covered. As an example, in my own house i have just connected up new wiring to 2 bedrooms and an on-suite i wired 6 years ago. we built a large extension and didnt need these extra rooms and money was tight. What if i had moved on without connecting them ?

 

[batty]

As long as you note down what you have done on the cert your covered. As an example, in my own house i have just connected up new wiring to 2 bedrooms and an on-suite i wired 6 years ago. we built a large extension and didnt need these extra rooms and money was tight. What if i had moved on without connecting them ?

They wouldn't work

 

[NozSpark]

OK it's a new cable, but I do not see any difference..

When you change a CU and ask to see the previous EIC how many do you get to see??

When you change a CU all the cables have been installed by someone else!!

When you change a CU you have no idea as to the installation methods used!!

When you change a CU you do not know know where the cables run!! (or if they are even in the approved zones!)

When you change a CU you can test and inspect the accessible parts of the installation only!!

The only difference is that this cable might have only been installed a week earlier....

I am not saying that I would not want to see as much of the cable as possible, or that I would not load my price a bit....I would also tell them off a bit

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

As long as you note down what you have done on the cert your covered. As an example, in my own house i have just connected up new wiring to 2 bedrooms and an on-suite i wired 6 years ago. we built a large extension and didnt need these extra rooms and money was tight. What if i had moved on without connecting them ?

You would have thought...

oh pooh that was a waste of time pulling them cables in!!!!

and new owner would have thought...

what the ruddy hell are all these unconnected cables?????

:^O:^O:^O:^O:^O

 

[Apache]

These things might become more common with the economic slowdow? People doing more of the donkey work wanting you to come in an make the connections?

Possibly?

 

[NozSpark]

What would you do if a bathroom fitter asked you to connect up UFH that he had installed and tiled over??

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

OK it's a new cable, but I do not see any difference..When you change a CU and ask to see the previous EIC how many do you get to see??

When you change a CU all the cables have been installed by someone else!!

When you change a CU you have no idea as to the installation methods used!!

When you change a CU you do not know know where the cables run!! (or if they are even in the approved zones!)

When you change a CU you can test and inspect the accessible parts of the installation only!!

The only difference is that this cable might have only been installed a week earlier....

I am not saying that I would not want to see as much of the cable as possible, or that I would not load my price a bit....I would also tell them off a bit

Applaud SmileyApplaud SmileyApplaud Smiley

Luuuuv the last bit NOZ! :x

perhaps beat them up with a stick as well maybe??? ] ] ]

p.s.

I agree with all your points.....

it just gets my back up when I think someone is trying to pull a fast one, to get a Part P cert?? :|

I still reckon you should beat them with a stick a bit as well!!! :^O :^O:^O

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

These things might become more common with the economic slowdow? People doing more of the donkey work wanting you to come in an make the connections?Possibly?

tut tut Mr vet....

you have to bring animals into everything don't you!!!X( X(

I have never seen a donkey pulling cables????? ? :|

 

[NozSpark]

My sticks are tapered (1" to 2 1/2") from the bit you grab hold of to the bit that hurts!!

It gets my back up aswell, but I will not turn down work (money)

I do tell them that if they want me to do any more work that I'll have to do it all!!