Signing off previous electricians work?

[danthespark]

Hi, I have just started work for a building company as their NIC part p electrician (fully employed and on the cards, and it is the company who is the registered domestic installer with the nic and i am their qualified supervisor), the problem i have is their previous sparky didn't certify and notify a job that finish 12 months ago. And now the customer is kicking off and wants a cert, so i have been sent round to test and certify his work, after sorting a few issues with bonding and rcd protection, and testing all the work he has done, I am happy that all the circuits pass. The problem is, is that i don't want to put my name to this, and notify it, just saying I have done the work recently, as it's not my work, and I'm unsure what the nic would say about this situation if we notify 12 months late or even if I can certify his work, being that we worked for the same company and it's the company that is the registered domestic installer, not us as individuals. Or do I just do a condition report? I hope all that makes sense and any advice would be appreciated before I ask the nic direct.

 

[Sidewinder]

I was not aware that the NICEIC DI Scheme had the QS system within it, I "thought" that the DI scheme was for "sole entities"?

Can you please expand a little on the situation?

Who was the "previous" spark?

Was he "on the cards"?

Why was the job not notified etc?

 

[NozSpark]

Sidey, the DI scheme does operate under the same PDH & QS system as the AC scheme; it does seem a bit "off" but in a way the QS system as a whole is poorly thought out, is it not?

Back to the OP

Were you this guy's supervisor when he carried out the work in the first place?

If so it was you're responsibility back then to ensure that the work that he carried out was done to the correct standards, certified and notified.

Also if he'd have certified the work then you'd have counter signed it anyway. Couldn't you sign it PP (in his absence) and then counter sign it?

 

[danthespark]

previous spark was on the cards and was the companies "qualified supervisor" under the domestic installers scheme, he has now left and i have his job, I have done my assessment with the nic and I am the companies "qualified supervisor" I guess he just never did a cert and notified it. But now the customer has been in contact with the company saying they never got a cert, and we have no record of it being certified or being notified, and I know it as common knowledge that he didn't do one and is now long gone now. I was just wondering what people think? can I sign off his work as we both worked for the same company who carried out the work, or is it standard "self certify" Part P procedure? and if so, how might we go about getting the work notified? Is too late to do a late notifcation, I will be contacting the nic directly as I am not prepared to pretend I did the work. was just interested to see what people thought about this situation as it is new to me.

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we never worked at the company at the same time. He left, then I started.

 

[Manator]

The NICEIC will not give you the advise you require other than to state the regulations as they stand.

I think you already know the answer to this question, and it is time that your new boss realises how lucky he is in having you on the team.

Do not sign off any work unless you have been witness to first and second fix, do not allow a boss to dictate anything to do with the electrical side of works, unless he is higher qualified to do so.

The fact that the work was not notified shows that your boss is a little ignorant of his duties.

 

[NozSpark]

Glad you've cleared that up...

TBH I'd ring the tech help line if I were you.

 

[SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH]

Your job as a company QS is to sign off the companies work, not just your own. As far as your concerned this is just another job your looking at, as part of your job. The alterations you have recently made has now compleated the works so they can be signed off.

 

[sellers]

Issue an EICR for the work. An EIC for your bit, and notify your bit. Strictly not correct as you haven't notified the whole job but customer gets their certs.

 

[SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH]

I didnt finish my earlier post as a download crashed it.

I was also going to add you should be using a 3 sig installation cert with the previous sparks details in the installation box. The part P notification can be sent as it refers to the relevant certificate. You have then covered your bottom.

 

[ProDave]

3 part EIC with you signing for I&T and name the previous spark as design and construction.

Getting a signature if he's no longer with the company may be interesting.

 

[Manator]

I stand corrected, Slipshod has I believe given the answer you required,and a certificate can be issued on completion, which now becomes the date that you sorted out some issues.

 

[danthespark]

Thanks everyone for your comments. Can you get 3 part, part p nic certs? and if not, how will the nic feel/react to me issuing and notifying jobs without using their own certs? does it matter? I know they can act strict at times.

 

[Manator]

Looks like you have a limited experience of the NICEIC. First question, yes you can get 3 part certificates from the NICEIC, you can issue any certificate you like providing that it conforms to those published in the regulation book, and the NICEIC or for that matter any other provider can not refuse them.

 

[NozSpark]

Thanks everyone for your comments. Can you get 3 part, part p nic certs? and if not, how will the nic feel/react to me issuing and notifying jobs without using their own certs? does it matter? I know they can act strict at times.

TBH they aren't as strict as people make them out to be, a lot of it is rumour and hearsay.

I very rarely use NIC forms

 

[danthespark]

You are right Manator, I do have a limited experience of the nic, but thank you so much for your help and advice. and thanks to all who commented and advised me, it's really appreciated. I'll be in the office first thing to get 3 sig certs ordered from nic HQ. and finally get the customer their rightfully deserved part p certs and this headache put to bed. Thanks again.

 

[SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH]

I have never used any NICEIC form. We use Easycert with the NIC logo on it

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Thanks everyone for your comments. Can you get 3 part, part p nic certs? and if not, how will the nic feel/react to me issuing and notifying jobs without using their own certs? does it matter? I know they can act strict at times.

There is no such thing as a Part P cert (even though i have seen books of certs labelled that in wholesalers) The Part P bit is a on line notification a registered person/company makes to their body, ie NIC who then sends the notification to the local building control & a copy to the address where the works were carried out. The installation, minor works etc certs are the ones the electrican puts all the technical stuff on.

Its another confusing thing that lets the cowboys get away with carp when companies such as Robin sell packs of 'Part P minor works certificates'

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I just noticed, i hit the big 3K

 

[NozSpark]

:Applaud

 

[Manator]

:Applaud

:Applaud

:grouphug

 

[batty]

Are you sure he has not signed it off have you got his records to check. Some customers loose paperwork.

 

[Evans Electric]

What a can of worms this system opens up sometimes , I understand the situation Danthespark is in , but these days I just don't have the patience with all this peeeing about with notifying, issuing, signing , covering yer ass all the time .

OK you are the QM but its your bosse's problem to sort out , not yours, the way I see it , then he instructs you as to what to do.

Used the new EIRC whatever its called yesterday , had to sign it 50 times and are we expected to write the word ...NO or YES, 300 times on pages 3/4 ?

We'll all need to buy a huge van just to carry the library of books and forms around .