Simple install, (for those what know).

[safedepth]

Hi guys,

Sorry if this seems to simple to be asking but it's new to me.

1. Customer wants BT master point moving, only 2 feet away, no need to extend cable, sufficient there. Can I do it or must BT come in?

2. Same customer wants socket for broadband in his office along with his 2nd phone line, (for business). He already has the 2nd line. Normal house phone line will also go from master to a number of other secondary points. What's the best way to run it all?

Many thanks guys.

 

[septiclecky]

Hi guys,Sorry if this seems to simple to be asking but it's new to me.

1. Customer wants BT master point moving, only 2 feet away, no need to extend cable, sufficient there. Can I do it or must BT come in?

2. Same customer wants socket for broadband in his office along with his 2nd phone line, (for business). He already has the 2nd line. Normal house phone line will also go from master to a number of other secondary points. What's the best way to run it all?

Many thanks guys.

1. You should not officially move/touch the BT socket or wiring as it is their property but people do so it's up to you.

2. You can run a second socket from the BT socket if the BT Master is a NTE5 socket so long as you do not physically connect to the BT cables only via the removable front plate at the bottom.

 

[safedepth]

2. You can run a second socket from the BT socket if the BT Master is a NTE5 socket so long as you do not physically connect to the BT cables only via the removable front plate at the bottom.

Cheers,

How about the broadband and additional phone line? Is this all on the one cable?

 

[m4tty]

my broadband and additional phone line comes from the one cable mate if that helps. They just have to remember to use a broadband filter on all outlets.

Cheers

 

[safedepth]

Cheers Matty. I'm stupid because it's just occurred to me that my bb does exactly that. So you have second phone line and number and that all comes of the same line as well then? How does a phone know what line is calling.

Am I really that stupid?

 

[Andy™]

a second line will have a seperate NTE5. the incoming cable will most likely be shared though

 

[Robojin]

Cheers Matty. I'm stupid because it's just occurred to me that my bb does exactly that. So you have second phone line and number and that all comes of the same line as well then? How does a phone know what line is calling. Am I really that stupid?

A second line is just that e.g. a separate physical line, it can carry BB too!

being simplistic, ADSL is embedded in the analog carrier wave of an open line, the phone rings due to an increase of voltage on the line induced by the exchange routing a request to connect to your number

 

[batty]

Bt have minimum charge over a hundred pounds so if you are confident do it yourself but as others have said technically you should not.

 

[NozSpark]

BT call out is

 

[kme]

Although you technically shouldn`t..............

I`ve moved mine three times, as we`ve altered the house. I`ve also got one of the extension lines wired straight into the "A" & "B" terminals on the back of the master socket. BT engineer has been here, and seen the works, while "looking for" a fault on the line (telegraph pole connection). Nothing said at the time. I`ve moved `em for customers, too. Don`t forget you can have 50V sitting on those wires. Treat `em with a bit of caution........

 

[batty]

Although you technically shouldn`t..............I`ve moved mine three times, as we`ve altered the house. I`ve also got one of the extension lines wired straight into the "A" & "B" terminals on the back of the master socket. BT engineer has been here, and seen the works, while "looking for" a fault on the line (telegraph pole connection). Nothing said at the time. I`ve moved `em for customers, too. Don`t forget you can have 50V sitting on those wires. Treat `em with a bit of caution........

I got a nasty belt off a line years back the room was very damp and outlet was lose on wall although its only 50v I certainly new about it.

 

[Andy™]

gets to about 100v when ringing

 

[PBC_1966]

On the 2-pair drop cable which has been the norm for domestic installs for some years, orange/white is used for the first line, then if a second line is required it will be provided on the green/black pair, which can be extended with normal CW1308 internal wire from the existing NTE to a second NTE.

If you are really concerned about standing DC voltage and potential for higher AC ringing voltage, you can put a short across the incoming line while working on it. It won't hurt anything, but will just busy out the line until you're finished. Or if you want to work on extension wiring without disconnecting it at the NTE, just leave a phone connected at the master jack and off hook to keep the line voltage down to 15V or less and prevent any incoming ringing.

Obivously that won't work when you are on the incoming drop wire and need to separate the wires for connecting.....

 

[safedepth]

I got a nasty belt off a line years back the room was very damp and outlet was lose on wall although its only 50v I certainly new about it.

Many years ago one of my jobs in the navy was looking after the internal comms on the submarine. An often played trick was to have someone hold the wires from a disconnected phone whilst you nipped off to get something. You proved it safe first by holding them yourself, then went off and rang that phone.

Oh how we laughed. ROTFWLROTFWLROTFWL

Many thanks for all the answers by the way.

 

[batty]

Many years ago one of my jobs in the navy was looking after the internal comms on the submarine. An often played trick was to have someone hold the wires from a disconnected phone whilst you nipped off to get something. You proved it safe first by holding them yourself, then went off and rang that phone. Oh how we laughed. ROTFWLROTFWLROTFWL

Many thanks for all the answers by the way.

Wicked.

 

[PBC_1966]

There are still other voltages besides normal 50V plus ringing on the network enough to give a nip. Although not normally encountered on wiring by the time it reaches subscribers' premises, the pole-top DACS units are powered by 140V D.C. over the line, for example.