smokes

[dean mac]

hi guys,just would like to ask if u were doin a periodic because the owners were lettin the property out and there were no mains smokes would u put anything down on the cert thanks

 

[green-hornet]

Personally I do not, but I would make it clear to the landlord his or her responsibilities,and the benefits of having them fitted.

 

[Theorysparky]

There are no requirements for mains smoke alarms in rented properties...

but there is a need for sufficient fire safety within the property

i fit these they have a tamperproof lithium 10 yr battery that cannot be removed.

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not like the

 

[Gforce]

Not sure thats strictly true- part p requires all new and refurbished properties to have interlinked smoke alarms blah blah blah-so doesnt that mean they would need to be hard wired to achieve this--maybe im wrong.

So if a property is new and then rented out wouldnt this be the case.

Pray

 

[patspark]

not got the big red book or gn3 with me however part p is a building regulation

so not sure how that works in with a pir just a thought i will have a look

later

 

[Evans Electric]

I would certaily make the property owner aware ( some don't think of such things) . Smoke detectors are a must , but if they don't want 'em then as I've said in previous threads , we are not the Electric Police, the owner is responsible for the elecrics, ( incl. smokes) the gas , water etc.

I went to quote a rewire once, in the bathroom the elderly guy had a socket next to the bath, wired in twin bell wire. Plugged in was a kettle and radio, said he liked a cuppa while soaking . When I stated the bleedin' obvious he was really put out, bin there for years mate. I didn't get the rewire. Probably still there, as I said we not the Electric Police !!

Deke

 

[Apache]

Not sure thats strictly true- part p requires all new and refurbished properties to have interlinked smoke alarms blah blah blah-so doesnt that mean they would need to be hard wired to achieve this--maybe im wrong.So if a property is new and then rented out wouldnt this be the case.

Pray

I have read somewhere that the radio linked ones are ok. Don't need to be hard wired.

I can't find the reference........

 

[Andy™]

I have read somewhere that the radio linked ones are ok. Don't need to be hard wired.I can't find the reference........

The supply should be wired - the interlink can be hardwired or radio controlled

 

[batty]

Some properties have them connected into alarm system so they are not connected to mains. I have done jobs where this has been passed by building inspector.

Batty

 

[elvis]

in the bathroom the elderly guy had a socket next to the bath, wired in twin bell wire. Plugged in was a kettle and radio, said he liked a cuppa while soaking . When I stated the bleedin' obvious he was really put out, bin there for years mate. I didn't get the rewire. Probably still there, as I said we not the Electric Police !!Deke

Ahh... they make you laugh sometimes.

 

[Theorysparky]

Not sure thats strictly true- part p requires all new and refurbished properties to have interlinked smoke alarms blah blah blah-so doesnt that mean they would need to be hard wired to achieve this--maybe im wrong.So if a property is new and then rented out wouldnt this be the case.

Pray

you may find if it has been rewired then it requires mains smokes

if it has just been painted and electrics have not been touched then it dont

locally a rented property didnt have working smokes ,,,landlord was made aware of it but didnt do anything about it.......little one died in house fire and the landlord went down for it

what ever type of report you do for a landlord make sure smokes are covered

nobody takes it seriously in the rented property businessX(

 

[green-hornet]

You have to remember there are different catagories of fire detection.

I have in the past connected a total fire detection system similar to a commercial fire panel, in a domestic property by the use of the veritas alarm panel.

This is a dedicated fire alarm system,incorperating both heat and smoke detectors, and a dedicated internal sounder system. The advantages of this type of set up is the alarm activation type through a phone dialler, gives the owner who is away from the property the information required to take the appropiate action, ie call the police for an intruder or call the fire brigade for a fire.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

hi guys,just would like to ask if u were doin a periodic because the owners were lettin the property out and there were no mains smokes would u put anything down on the cert thanks

A PIR is testing the condition of the fixed property electrical wiring that is there..

Not circuits that don't exist.

IF there is a smoke circuit there you should test & check it all complies..

But if not there.... and as BS7671 is a NON-statutory document

& a PIR is part of BS7671 guidance,

you are not required to insist they are there in relation to the PIR.

As Theory said it would be good practice by a competent person to advise the customer that they probably should get some smokes installed, I would just stick a covering letter with the PIR...

and include a quote or installing some smokes!Blushing