So what now?

[Sharpend]

So the Supreme Court has ruled the closing of parliament was unlawful, so where does that leave Boris? Where does it put Brexit? Will Jeremy Corbyn have the balls for a no confidence vote? 

Imho it’s about time the whole parliament protocol was revised starting with any child like behaviour is banned, so no more silly whooping and goading, no more game playing, no more threatening behaviour - JC and SNP in particular.  

That leaves act and behave as though you are an adult, let’s see where that gets us. 

 

[Spoon]

I'd get rid of the lot of them and start again, with people who want to look out for the people and not themselves. 

 

[Murdoch]

These games in Westminster are just like those in Brussels

Vote until you get the answer the big chiefs want.

This is all Tony Blair fault - he denied is the vote on the Lisbon treaty.....

 

[Sharpend]

I'd get rid of the lot of them and start again, with people who want to look out for the people and not themselves. 

The question is how does the voting public do this? A petition to the queen? It would have to be a referendum on twist or stick with what we have, and given the experience of the last referendum :C  oh and who’s going to ask the queen to give a nod on the result? :C   :C  

 

[Spoon]

The question is how does the voting public do this? A petition to the queen? It would have to be a referendum on twist or stick with what we have, and given the experience of the last referendum :C  oh and who’s going to ask the queen to give a nod on the result? :C   :C  

Is there much point in voting for anything.??..  Just look how things go when people with power do not like the result.

 

[Andy™]

I'd get rid of the lot of them and start again, with people who want to look out for the people and not themselves. 

at least borris is trying to do what the public voted. leave

 

[UNG]

Are the legal bods setting a dangerous precedent with their political meddling as it would appear that the Queen is no longer sovereign in the UK as the supreme court seems to reign

 

[ProDave]

These games in Westminster are just like those in Brussels

Vote until you get the answer the big chiefs want.

This is all Tony Blair fault - he denied is the vote on the Lisbon treaty.....

+1000 to that.

I am convinced we would have rejected Lisbon, it would then have neem toned down and re negotiated, then accepted, and we would not now be in this sorry mess.

at least borris is trying to do what the public voted. leave

But I doubt a majority wanted to leave with no deal.

I voted leave, expecting to leave with some form of trade deal, you know the easiest deal in history, so we were told.  I am totally and utterly ashamed at the total balls up the present government has made of trying to leave.

 

[binky]

the trouble started long before Blair, dates back to Thatcher's time.

I don't think people really uderstood what the Lisbon Treaty really mean't, but ten they are busy watching Bake Off and don't do politics  :shakehead  

Boris is now shown to be a natural liar, but then he's had lots of practice lying to his own wives. It was absolutely clear that a 5 week porogation was purely for political aims, had it been 1 or 2 weeks, he may have got away with that?? Either way his position is now basically untennable and should resign.

I also voted leave expecting a deal - no deal was not in the campaign (I've checked the leave campaign propoganda) . Given another vote I would not vote leave again, as it has emerged over the last 3 years what a cunch of bunts are anti-EU. I susoect they are nore interested in making money the the good of the UK as a whole.

As for legalities, we are a parliamentary democracy, not an dictatorship of 1 man with fluffy hair who hasn't even got a majority in parliament. Everything is political - look up the definition. Also watch the recent series about the rise of the Nazi party, and how they destroyed the legal system in only 6 months, thereby removing any opposition! 

 

[Murdoch]

the trouble started long before Blair, dates back to Thatcher's time.

I don't think people really understood what the Lisbon Treaty really mean't, but ten they are busy watching Bake Off and don't do politics  :shakehead  

I don't think many people do now.

One of my mates voted remain, read the Lisbon Treaty after the vote and is now a staunch leaver - make of that what you will.

Like all thing political, I don't know where there is a "decent" interpretation of the Lisbon Treaty, in words the public can understand..........

 

[binky]

this is a good read and seems unbiased 

https://fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong/

 

[Hefferl]

at least borris is trying to do what the public voted. leave

In truth, Boris has no regard for what the public voted for. Boris is only interested in Boris.

 

[Andy™]

In truth, Boris has no regard for what the public voted for. Boris is only interested in Boris.

pretty much every politician is only interested in themselves

fact still remains that the british public voted to leave. and other than a few who are trying to make that happen, everyone else, including most MP's, are trying to stop that. even our judges are remoaners imo

 

[Hefferl]

pretty much every politician is only interested in themselves

fact still remains that the british public voted to leave. and other than a few who are trying to make that happen, everyone else, including most MP's, are trying to stop that. even our judges are remoaners imo

The fact that the 11 judges unanimously found the way they did, doesn't make them remainers. Boris' true intention was blatantly obvious to all, but his arrogance knows no bounds.

 

[Andy™]

The fact that the 11 judges unanimously found the way they did, doesn't make them remainers. Boris' true intention was blatantly obvious to all, but his arrogance knows no bounds.

yes, he was wrong to suspend parliament and he shouldnt have done so, defiately pushing the limits and i think its going to backfire sooner or later

 

[binky]

pretty much every politician is only interested in themselves

fact still remains that the british public voted to leave. and other than a few who are trying to make that happen, everyone else, including most MP's, are trying to stop that. even our judges are remoaners imo

My local MP is very much interested in the greater good of Plymouth - Labour fella called Luke Pollard. He's the only MP who has ever knocked on my door on a regular basis.  Some MPs are career politicians, the local Tory guy is definetly one of those, just got caught not having declared business interests and blames the whistle blower.... work that out!! 

Fact is the majority of MPs suported the vote and agreed to leave, but the majority are not so damn stupid as to think No Deal wouldn't be economic disaster. Now die hard remainers are fighting their corner, but it also has to be said die hard leavers have been fighting for no deal as the only option, and are just as much to blame for the fact we are still in the EU as anyone else. Not making any dealings with the EU cross-party was also a bad decision, why the courgette should the opposition support any deal agreed, it's their job NOT to support the government. I also think that the remainers sense that many who voted to leave, including me, do not want a no deal scenario, and also that over the last 3 years it's become increasingly clear what the true implications of leaving are - it was a close vote, would it be the same a second time around, I very much doubt it? 

As for our legal system (the one that's supposedly so much better than the ECJ), they are elected on their ability to be un biased, totally independent,  and only pass judgement on a question posed to them.  11-0 is quite unheard of,  but they only agreed that parliamentary democracy, which is what we are, cannot be overuled by a single PM, especially not one with a minority government. To have ruled any other way would have effectively put Boris in tin-pot dictator territory. Also kindly stop using the insulting term remoaner, people are allowed to have free and open opinions and beliefs whether you agree with them or not, derogatory terminology is not an argument, and if you ask me, the biggest problem with the UK today is far too much bullying, insulting terminology, and nothing like enough reasoned, factual argument. 

 

[UNG]

I voted leave, expecting to leave with some form of trade deal, you know the easiest deal in history, so we were told.  I am totally and utterly ashamed at the total balls up the present government has made of trying to leave.

I voted leave and didn't expect there to be deal as nothing is easy when the EU are involved, then again where else in the world has a "FREE" trade deal cost a country £39Bn

The balls up isn't wholly down to the government and some of the blame has to lie with the legal system and Gina Miller with her backers who clearly have an undisclosed agenda

 

[binky]

Gina is definite remainer and fighting for what she truly believes in - can't knock her for that! Disagree by any means, it's your democractic right to. 

Free trade describes tariff free borders for the movement of goods and services, running that system costs money . Current trading with the EU is worth something like £289 billion - 46% of our total exports., so what we pay is quite small for that amount of trade.

Nothing is easy under WTO rules either, I looked those up the other day. Any tariff we offer another country may not be reciprocal, ie we have said we will not impose tariffs higher than current levels on other countires, but Canada has already said it will slap tariffs on our goods. In the case of one local cheese maker that means a large lump of cheese they send to Canada will jump from £500 to £1700  - guess who won't sell much cheese to Canada. 

 

[Sharpend]

So if what we are taught at school about economics pricing is all based upon supply and demand, why then the need for a tariff, a tariff is purely a way that a government can raise tax money off the back of someone else’s hard work? The rest of their excuses for restricting this and that is just a smoke screen if we are to believe the mantra of free trade. 

As for the  loathe of parliament, this is just MPs throwing the dummy out. They were all going off to conferences for three weeks at least, and all the ballcocks about they vote to have closure for conferences, well they didn’t vote but all conferences have continued so venues etc were all booked prior to any vote? If they were serious then they would have postponed the conferences and upstaged the government by taking alternative actions, if a 16yr old girl can make the world stop and think about climate change then how can it be that X number of politicians can’t do anything? 

Imho they are all too scared to do anything so it’s easier to pick on the target in front of you: the PM, it doesn’t matter if that’s Theresa May, Boris Johnson or any other. 

 

[UNG]

Gina is definite remainer and fighting for what she truly believes in - can't knock her for that! Disagree by any means, it's your democractic right to.

Miller is a mouthpiece for her backers she ain't fighting Brexit with her own money there is a hidden agenda with these people not only to undermine Brexit but also to undermine the UK parliament as has been very evident with all the political infighting