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I have just got a job for a consumer unit upgrade. On checking round the property I discovered they have a metal socket and dimmer switch inside the bathroom (They are earthed), she wants to keep them?? :( The socket is only about five feet from the bath edge (big bathroom).

Anyway I told her they need to go and she is now not very happy.

I could do with the job, but I am not happy about leaving these in place, please can I have your views

Thanks.

 
Was this a bedroom turned into a bathroom or something, metal clad socket in bathroom just seems odd.

It's not good I'm afraid, ideally it has to go, but then if you insist you will not get the job and someone else will.

You could in writing advise that it is dangerous and should be removed, write two and post one to yourself and leave unopened with post date on it for future possible requirement.

Or just walk away and sleep at night.

 
I could be wrong on this but im sure there should not be anything wrong on an EIC or it could just be a rumour

 
The light switch is ok if outside of the zones, however the socket should be 3m away from the edge of the bath and/or shower.

I would leave the switch if it's outside the zones and RCD protected and replace the socket with a blank plate. Leave their old socket behind and note it on the cert,,, once you've gone they can replace it (against your advice) if they like;)

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You cannot have any non compliances or limitations on an EIC, however remember that EIC will only cover the work you do

 
I could be wrong on this but im sure there should not be anything wrong on an EIC or it could just be a rumour
its an EIC covering the work done. not the rest of the installation. at most, you can make a note of it recommending removal of it

 
Does than mean he should remove it because he will be re-energising it after changing the CU?

 
replace the socket with a blank plate. Leave their old socket behind and note it on the cert,,, once you've gone they can replace it (against your advice) if they like;)
What he says. Your rse is covered, and they can have their socket back if they really want to.

 
I agree with removing the socket ,fitting blank ( And take a photo with today's paper in shot) But although I agree , can one really ,without permission , go marching round customer's property , removing accessories etc and generally playing at being the "Electric Policeman".

No we can't, I answer myself . Record it on your cert and issue one of the red danger things.

What the hell does the daft sod want to plug in anyway ?

When surveying for a rewire I warned the elderly guy about the twin socket next to his bath , wired in twin figure of 8 doorbell wire .

Plugged in was a radio and electric kettle . He makes tea while he's soaking in the bath , told me he wanted it wired back in , told him I couldn't , didn't get the job .

 
Well I once found an old fella who had dismantled an old spring type storage heater and put the bricks and the spring element under the metal bath, adjacent to the bath was a single socket with plug and lead going to his home made bath heater under the bath.

When I asked why, he said it stopped the bath water going cold.

I disconnected all of it, and told him it was lethal, he groaned but accepted it as he was going for equity release on the house, hence me being there doing test and inspection.

 
Whilst I agree that the installer of the socket should be hung by the Gonads from a catenary wire until their bodily insulation resistance is a bazillion Gohms, there is nothing that you can do to change this.

Your EIC will not cover this s.o. as you did not install it.

On your EIC where it says "Extent Of The Installation Covered By This Certificate" enter "Please See Pg x".

Where Pg x is a page appended to the EIC detailing in a verbose manner the works that you have been contracted and paid to undertake.

On your EIC where it says "Comments On Existing Installation" enter "Please see Pg y"

Where Pg y is a page appended to the EIC detailing in a verbose manner the defects and limitations of the installation that you are not happy with and stating that you have advised the customer such.

Remember to number the pages on your EIC accordingly.

Also put on Pg y that the "offending" circuit has been left de-energised by leaving the mcb in the off position as you don't consider it safe or compliant to energise the circuit (or words to that effect).

You need to put that this has been explained to the customer as well.

Advise the customer in writing, with a letter to accompany your EIC to this effect, stating also that you cannot be held liable as you have advised them that this is unsafe, this will also be in your letter explaining that it is unsafe and why, include photocopies of any relevant sections of the Regs & OSG you feel appropriate, it is doubtful that you will be held liable under copyright in this instance.

Once you have done the job, been paid, and you are sending on the paperwork, scan, and photocopy (x2) the whole package, including the letters, keep the scan on your computer, as has already been suggested, send a copy of the paperwork to yourself in a sealed envelope and don't open it, ever.

Send the paperwork to the client by recorded delivery.

I feel this would be a robust defence and would allow you to do the work and cover your a r 5 3!

Thus making money, giving the client what they want, but, keeping yourself in the clear.

You could also when undertaking your training on the "new" board for your client explain how to turn circuit breakers back on if they are off ;) that way if they find a tripped breaker, they can re-energise it without bothering you.

That way you don't have to explain to them specifically to turn the breaker back on for the circuit you have left de-energised.

You can tell them that sometimes temporary faults occur, which they do, and these will trip an mcb, and when they are reset, then things are fine.

If they ring you tell them to turn it on and see what happens, just play dull, that you were not sure which breaker is off.

 
Depends Deke, it is quite a "deviation" really ain't it?

It "could" get you in heap big doo doos.

It is not that much paperwork really, I do it often.

Take a medical install in a home, is a G1 Med location, I just limit the work etc. by careful description.

Would you want your home ripped apart for a temporary install, only to have to have it put back together again hopefully in a very short time.

Plus the cost to the client is exorbitant if you go full pelt at it and IMHO the regs are wrong, & I WILL stand up in Court and argue this.

The NIC & the IET have failed to answer my Q's, again!

So I do it may way and take the consequences, as I normally do, regardless of the regs, standards etc. it is why I am an Engineer.

 
That was mainly my point Sides, an everyday sparks needs to take guidance from above . I had a confirmation from ELECSA Technical that spurs and boiler controls were OK in a bathroom cupboard and we can only advise people .

Trouble is , as you say, if brown stuff is hitting fan and rectal orifices are not covered , you need to have done the right thing .

 
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Dont put it on your quote either that way if the price is right you will still get it. Just when you are there doing the job say oh yes that socket in the bathroom cant stay and remove it

 
The light switch is ok if outside of the zones, however the socket should be 3m away from the edge of the bath and/or shower.I would leave the switch if it's outside the zones and RCD protected and replace the socket with a blank plate. Leave their old socket behind and note it on the cert,,, once you've gone they can replace it (against your advice) if they like;)

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You cannot have any non compliances or limitations on an EIC, however remember that EIC will only cover the work you do
This argument goes on regarding eic and limitations and I suppose each to their own opinion but nowhere does it state that a limitation cannot be inserted on to schedule of inspection when issuing eic - new build or Rewire agreed, no you cannot use it but NOT on a CU upgrade, it is a grey area admittedly because the generic in regs doesn't offer it as an option, but look at the top and in brackets it states it's relating to new installations, a CU upgrade is not that....

Regarding the socket - no way hosa whatever you do to try and justify leaving it in, letters unsealed etc, not a chance would I even consider leaving it in.. Any competent spark in my eyes would insist it come out as part of works or as Elecktair said don't put it on there but remove it whilst there.....or put one right outside the bathroom and if they're daft enough to plug whatever in and use in bathroom then at least you can sleep safe and sound .....

I just done a Rewire and they wanted a socket in bathroom for washing machine, "We do it in France" they said....

We don't do it here I said !!! And compromised on a spur....!

 
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