Splitting tails: No room for henley blocks so could i...

[Sharpend]

I wasnt asking basic questions how to do it, i was asking if it was acceptable, meaning For regulatory reasons. Furthermore, if what i had done was not acceptable, then also up for debate is whether or not the last qualified electrician is stereotypical of electricians in general. It would be easy to think so, but i know thats tosh, just like i know that my work is more than satisfactory.I might not know the exact formulas, but most is common sense, and when uncertainty prevails, ask.

Though frankly I'm uncertain as to why a public forum is, well public, shouldnt you be spending your time honouring all the lesser electricians with your presence in the trade only forums?

What might not seem basic to you certainly would seem basic to a competent electrician.

Acceptable? - not to a competent person.

Acceptable? - Not to regs.

Stereotypical? - Judge yourself on your compliance not on others.

Formulas? - by your own admission you don't have a clue, so why do completent persons have to KNOW and UNDERSTAND such formula do you think?

Trade Forum? - the clue is in the title Talk ELECTRCIAN FORUM, last time I enquired being an Electrician meant you were a TRADESMAN.

So may I suggest that you visit the STUDENT and LEARNING section or the DIY section of this forum. you may find that you gain a better understanding of the principles that we the Competent Electrician have to follow.

Good Evening

 

[Avo]

Not withstanding the fact that you haven't got a clue what to do and you need to ask forum?? The job was done today and it works fine, is safe, and not a problem.Who or how are you notifying this work??? How often do you get your leg over?

or are you not?

Any person competent enough to work on splitting tails would not be asking the questions you are asking..

I agree there are some carp people who claim to be electricians.... often 5WW!!!

But most of these would not be out of place in a western with John Wayne!!!

Its late and you are tired is irrelevant... No

It is quite often late when I get time to come on here after a days work and doing a bit of admin sorting tomorrows job out or paperwork to complete todays invoice etc..

But I can still use the correct terminology and identify what cables are used on an installation! If you couldnt I'd be questioning your qualifications, you do it all day long, you should be able to sh*t copper wire.

If you seriously think other "qualified electricians" you have use are that bad...

Report them to their scheme membership complaints procedure!!

Or were they just ..

back door cheapo sparks who you were using to get job done on the cheap???? No they were for a commercial premises, it wasnt particulaly cheap.

The concepts you are trying to figure out are BASIC easy stuff for a competent person..

that is a "FACT" I agree, and like i said it is already ******* done, one way of many.

So by simple deduction you are not competent no mater how good you think you are! You need to go back to deduction school, your logic is flawed. And i never said i was good, i said my work is satisfactory.

Sorry if that sound harsh.. No you're not. But i dont care for your opinion.

But you Honestly do need to get some professional to come and advise you the best way to connect up your supplies safely. They are connected.

:x :C

Good night.

 

[Sharpend]

Strange how when the human being is shown not to be off the same understanding as another that they then result to insults. Poor show, you have just shown yourself for what you are.

May I ask at what stage of learning or training you may be at with Electrics?

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Yes that is correct...

The number of times the average electrician gets his leg over is very relevant!!!!

Shows how clever and understanding you are

AND

how good your measure of competence is!!!

Sensible practical advice you ignore...

Well done sir Avo!!!!!

No wonder you are so good at judging the competence of other electricians!

:Applaud :Salute

I stand in AWE of your superior wisdom..

and acknowledge my failings at wasting all those years to get qualified and competent!

:worship

headbangbad day explode

 

[Avo]

What might not seem basic to you certainly would seem basic to a competent electrician. Acceptable? - not to a competent person. What isn't

Acceptable? - Not to regs. What isn't

Stereotypical? - Judge yourself on your compliance not on others. Actually it's the tradespeople i should be questioning. After all, half of them seem to speak the speak yet perform inadequately. When someone is paid to do a job, i have every right to question their work.

Formulas? - by your own admission you don't have a clue, so why do completent persons have to KNOW and UNDERSTAND such formula do you think? Not having a clue would be wiring ground to phase. Though admittedly i did make a mistake posting on here, i'll admit that. Oh no wait, i got a useful answer that i prefer to make use of. But that was by some helpful chap at he start.

Trade Forum? - the clue is in the title Talk ELECTRCIAN FORUM, last time I enquired being an Electrician meant you were a TRADESMAN. So you only have to be a tradesman to talk on here? Great, i can stay. May be a private trade section would be better, then me and thee can talk like this in private... Babe!

So may I suggest that you visit the STUDENT and LEARNING section or the DIY section of this forum. you may find that you gain a better understanding of the principles that we the Competent Electrician have to follow. You can suggest all you like.

Good Evening

Ciao big man.

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Yes that is correct...The number of times the average electrician gets his leg over is very relevant!!!!

Shows how clever and understanding you are

AND

how good your measure of competence is!!!

Sensible practical advice you ignore...

Well done sir Avo!!!!!

No wonder you are so good at judging the competence of other electricians!

:Applaud :Salute

I stand in AWE of your superior wisdom..

and acknowledge my failings at wasting all those years to get qualified and competent!

:worship

headbangbad day explode

Your very welcome.

 

[Ash]

I don't normally make attacks on the DIYers who come asking basic questions like a few of our members but I'm inclined on this one.

You say you have no electrical certificate, which tells me you have no education in electrotechincal theory.

In my opinion, you are not an electrician, you are a cable installer.

Not to insult you but do you understand what test results are? why they are what they are? what they mean? the science behind what is happening?

One of the stupidest things I ever used to hear on site as an apprentice was "disregard everything you learn at college, this is where you learn", that is total bulls*it. A builder can show you how to put cables in a wall, a builder can't tell you why you've put the cable you've installed in the wall.

 

[Avo]

Strange how when the human being is shown not to be off the same understanding as another that they then result to insults. Poor show, you have just shown yourself for what you are. An award winning troll?May I ask at what stage of learning or training you may be at with Electrics? Kindergarten

Ciao Daniel son.

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I don't normally make attacks on the DIYers who come asking basic questions like a few of our members but I'm inclined on this one.You say you have no electrical certificate, which tells me you have no education in electrotechincal theory.

In my opinion, you are not an electrician, you are a cable installer.

Not to insult you but do you understand what test results are? why they are what they are? what they mean? the science behind what is happening?

One of the stupidest things I ever used to hear on site as an apprentice was "disregard everything you learn at college, this is where you learn", that is total bulls*it. A builder can show you how to put cables in a wall, a builder can't tell you why you've put the cable you've installed in the wall.

Totally agree, especially the last bit.... Yes, very profound.

 

[Sharpend]

Ok enough of this silly talk from you.

What part of the country are you in? I will applaud your enthusiasim, however perhaps I can extand a learned arm to you and actually teach you some basic understanding of the electrotechnical principles for free as you seem to want to save your money by not taking proper qualifications. Should you accept then at least I'll be able to sleep tonight knowing that any further work you do will not necessarily put others at risk.

RSVP

Then I'll hand you over to Steps for a thorough grounding!!!

 

[Avo]

Then I'll hand you over to Steps for a thorough grounding!!!

I like the sound of that! ROTFWL

Fear not, i will sleep sound as a pound, and so will my neighbours when my house burns down...

 

[Sharpend]

Then I'll hand you over to Steps for a thorough grounding!!!

I like the sound of that! ROTFWL

Fear not, i will sleep sound as a pound, and so will my neighbours when my house burns down...

At last we managed to get you to talk sense

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

I wasn't asking basic questions how to do it, i was asking if it was acceptable, meaning For regulatory reasons.

Which IS basic... !

just like i know that my work is more than satisfactory.

Tell us your test readings with a calibrated meter and we will tell you if it is or not?

but most is common sense, and when uncertainty prevails, ask.Though frankly I'm uncertain as to why a public forum is, well public, shouldn't you be spending your time honouring all the lesser electricians with your presence in the trade only forums?

You indeed do ask....

BUT

you IGNORE expert advice from more than one competent person...

that is quite frankly Foolishness!

But as the saying goues..

IGNORANCE IS BLISS..

clearly evident in your attitude...

PS you didn't actually say how you were notifying this work for a building regulations compliance certificate?

But I suppose with your own self confidence...

Legal obligations are irrelevant as well? :C

 

[ProDave]

I appreciate your comments, there is a main isolator though.

I think i agree with you about the 100a swap, but i kind of figured that its actually the contact rating that is 63a rather than the terminal capacity. That said its not worth the risk, i agree.

Ta

In that case I would go with your plan, but change the isolator for a 100A one.

Yes I know the main CU current is not passing through the switch, but it is being handled by the input terminals. Fitting a 100A switch guarantees the terminals can take 100A, whereas sticking with the 63A switch, you just hope they can because the wires fit in.

 

[Avo]

In that case I would go with your plan, but change the isolator for a 100A one.Yes I know the main CU current is not passing through the switch, but it is being handled by the input terminals. Fitting a 100A switch guarantees the terminals can take 100A, whereas sticking with the 63A switch, you just hope they can because the wires fit in.

True. I'll swap it out thanks.

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Which IS basic. Basic knowledge of the regulations perhaps, I can't find my book and, oh my memory aint so good i'll have to go on a course for memory management.Tell us your test readings with a calibrated meter and we will tell you if it is or not? Lol, so if I gave you all the readings that would mean I know how to wire a socket would it?

You indeed do ask.... I do

BUTT

you IGNORE expert advice from more than one competent person... No i didn't, I took the advice of two people on this this thread. I'm going to swap a 63a switch to a 100a to be cautious and I'm going to install a 4 pole switch, which I didn't realise were available for Wylex.

that is quite frankly Foolishness! As above

But as the saying goues.. What! Is that special tech talk;\

IGNORANCE IS BLISS..

clearly evident in your attitude... Yes I'm an ignorant fool.

PS you didn't actually say how you were notifying this work for a building regulations compliance certificate? You missed that bit.

But I suppose with your own self confidence... I'd rather have self confidence than be self righteous.

Legal obligations are irrelevant as well? :C People usually pick and choose when they follow the rules, that is part of the human condition. It's no different from you speeding in your vehicle, even a few mph over the limit. You choose to do it even though you know it's against the law. Wait, i bet you never speed... *cough*

 

[Doc Hudson]

I wasnt asking basic questions how to do it, i was asking if it was acceptable, meaning For regulatory reasons. Furthermore, if what i had done was not acceptable, then also up for debate is whether or not the last qualified electrician is stereotypical of electricians in general. It would be easy to think so, but i know thats tosh, just like i know that my work is more than satisfactory.I might not know the exact formulas, but most is common sense, and when uncertainty prevails, ask.

Though frankly I'm uncertain as to why a public forum is, well public, shouldnt you be spending your time honouring all the lesser electricians with your presence in the trade only forums?

When you usually deal with 1/1.5/2.5 t&e then 6mm is big.Read properly thats 16 & 25 tails, standard arent they!

Mk is far better than much of the sh*t at screwfix and the like, it certainly has nothing wrong with it and there is much worse.

I agree, knowing and doing are two different things, and you need to be able to do both reasonably well to be a safe and competent electrician. But just because i have no paperwork doesn't mean my work is crap. And just like every certified electrician, i am allowed to learn also, hence my visit here.

AVO, as with our other members you do have the right to learn and ask questions. And this is an open form for all levels of experience and knowledge. But as with all other members you will need to be more respectful of those who are trying to help you with sound practical advice on the safe design implementation and compliance of electrical related work. It would be nice if your 'most is common sense' statement were true. But reality shows that one persons common sense is actually a hazardous death trap waiting to cause fire or electric shock. I think it is the NICEIC who use the phrase "It is easy to make an electric circuit work, it is harder to make it work safely!" A brief look at our black museum photographs will show what numerous other persons who considered themselves competent have done, as common sense, easy to wire up projects, without any paperwork! The content of a persons posts and their ability to discuss a problem in an objective factual manner is often an indication of someones true understanding and competence. Some of your replies on this thread are unnecessary and a little undesirable, (almost abusive), to say the least. Some of your other threads also show a very minimal understanding of electrical first principals. Concepts such as how many conductors are needed to wire lights http://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/do-yourself-diy-electrical-forum-electrics/19287-wiring-some-lights.html Or how to calculate required cable size http://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/student-learning-zone-c-g-2330-levels-2-3-c-g-2381-c-g-2391-other-co/19341-what-size-steel-wire-armoured-xlpe-vs-pvc-steel-wire-armoured.html are both easy and common sense to a skilled person with basic training. Just as you are uncertain as to why we have a public forum it could be said that it is unclear why a competent person is asking such basic questions and they are then discussing splitting their supply tails. Looking at the overall picture, I am not surprised that a level of concern has been shown by our members. If you cannot reply to posts and discuss the concerns raised in a more respectful manner then possibly you may be better using other forums where manners and respect carry less importance. But you are of course more than welcome to continue posting on this forum in a more polite way in line with our T&C's. Thank you

Doc H.