Teesside Job Cuts.

[Sharpend]

This is because we live in a country that no longer has long term goals, we don't see past the end of our nose, we also live in a part of the world that has bureaucracy beyond belief so we have to be seen to abide to this bull and the best way to do it is to reduce the amount of pollutent producing buildings and replace with service sector as the only waste is all the hot air that's spouted.

Meanwhile on the other side of the world China and India are chugging ahead with traditional industry and sticking two fingers up to the bureaucrats.

Now who exactly is going to be in the strongest position when the world system implodes???

 

[Blue Duck]

we know all this, its so freaking obvious to us yet politicians have ignored it for decades...

 

[Sharpend]

And that's because of the career politicians who only want a career, they are not interested in what goes on beyond their career.

 

[binky]

This is because we live in a country that no longer has long term goals, we don't see past the end of our nose, we also live in a part of the world that has bureaucracy beyond belief so we have to be seen to abide to this bull and the best way to do it is to reduce the amount of pollutent producing buildings and replace with service sector as the only waste is all the hot air that's spouted.

this would not be a problem if our bureaucracy insisted that foreign imports met the same standards as ours. It's what made me mad every time I got made redundant from manufacturing because the factory shipped out to China - I'll fight anyone on a level playing field, fighting cheap imports is like pushing a ton of jelly uphill. On top of that the Anglo-Saxon business model is all about selling stuff, if they can buy it from China cheaper and sell it, they will. The fact the company made the same stuff in the UK didn't matter to the shareholders and senior management. Thye would shut the UK arm down. But what really got me was the lack of investment, it isn't hard to beat cheap imports because of the shipping costs, but it does require buying up to date machinery and investing in best practice, just like the Germans do. But that didn't suite shareholders, and I see exactly the same philosophy in the current government.

Remmeber 'mission statements', we want to be the best blah blah blah. Can't htink exactly who it was, but I think it was Sony, their mission statement was to still be in business in 20 years - helps focus the mind on long term decision making.

And that's because of the career politicians who only want a career, they are not interested in what goes on beyond their career.

this is what I like about Corbyn and his cronies, they are conviction politicians. (Quite respect Thatcher and her cronies from that point of view too). Shame not many will vote for them by the time the media has painted them as despots who want to ruin the country :^O  

 

[apprentice87]

Well said you lot, agree entirely with all you say..

john...

 

[Evans Electric]

I agree when you say the amount of employment created in outside suppliers to places like a steel works etc is enormous .

300 years ago I was an apprentice with a large local electrical contractor , there were , it was said , 100 sparks & apprentices working on projects at the Longbridge plant alone.   The production lines for the Mini were being installed ......everybody at the time wanted a Mini .....the makers couldn't even manage to sell them at a profit .    Other firms were putting out huge sellers like  Cortina,s & Escorts .

There were many small firms around making & suppying smaller parts for Longbridge products and other huge firms like GKN (for CV joints)  and Lucas did all the electrics  ( Also long gone) 

Same contractor was down in Oxford at the car plant , a large contigent , and also had sparks on new hospitals , & massive re-building of the city centre ,  and blimey  even up at English Electric in Stafford 

 

[apprentice87]

Watch this.....

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ivfDnt8bEWc?feature=oembed
john...

 

[Sharpend]

Whilst I can applaud everything that he has said as to be right for the human and better for society, there are a couple of issues that bother me.

1) he has not given any indication as to how he might achieve any of it?

2) a humane society is more often than not not walking hand in hand with a business/economic society.

3) how exactly would this perfect society that he speaks of, fit it to the rest of the worldly ways? Is there any society on this earth that is already using this system successfully?

Answers please to Mr J Corbyn.

 

[binky]

no society is ever perfect, but if you don't try....

Check out some the other EU countries, as for buisness, remember the great Quaker institutions like Cadburys, Terrys etc etc. In return for hard work they offered their employees health cafe, housing and education, business models that certainly worked for a very long time. Somewhere greed has got in the way, and business leaves the state to pick up the pieces.

 

[DiddyFA]

no society is ever perfect, but if you don't try....

Check out some the other EU countries, as for buisness, remember the great Quaker institutions like Cadburys, Terrys etc etc. In return for hard work they offered their employees health cafe, housing and education, business models that certainly worked for a very long time. Somewhere greed has got in the way, and business leaves the state to pick up the pieces.

I was thinking about this a while back, Im old enough to remember policemen's houses,miners houses, even textile workers had housing provided. It really was a given that the way to get good productivity was to happy contented workforce. The amount companies operating in the UK that can boast a contented workforce you could count on one hand. And yet it never used to be like that. 

The hard fact is that if a worker has money worries, travelling long distances to work due to housing affordability, struggling to put food on the table ect ect It stands to reason that this type of workforce will be less productive .....as has been shown by the fact that we are behind even France on productivity.

We do need a change but it will be a long fight 

 

[binky]

totally agree, and we have the worst wealth distribution in Europe according to the news this morning