YON MON'S GONE POTTY!

[apprentice87]

There you go then...

People think the tories are the party of low taxation, this is untrue.

All they do, is to dump what are truly the responsibilities of central government, on to local government. This mean that yes, they do not have to raise so much in tax, but instead, council tax will go silly OR the council will have to cut everything.

Then the tory liars will say; "we have not cut anything, that is down to your local council"

Just trying to be clever they are..

I know a bloke that started one of them petition things, whereby, if you get enough support, the government will have a debate on the subject of your petition. The wording of the subject was something along the lines of; "if the government are to remove support for people that have mobility problems due to mental health issues, that MP's should show support and take a lead by forgoing their travel expenses"

I voted for it, as did many others. A few days later the petition was removed, and i had an email from the petitions people [the government] explaining that this was due to the fact that it was; "irrelevant, as MP's expenses are NOT decided by government, but by the "parliamentary standards commission" [or a similar sort of name]" and so it had nothing to do with the government at all, and so was, effectively, "null and void"

Yeah, right...

john..

 

[phil d]

So I live in a two bed maisonette and have a large garden, I will have to pay more than the eight people living in a four bed house with a tiny garden? 

What if you don't have a garden? 

Sounds a bit random, they do need to re-band  council tax though.

exactly what i said the other day, mines a council house, i don't like gardening, but the house came with a big garden which isn't my fault.

A couple of years back my wife got a 1% pay rise at work, it wasn't a lot but every little helps, then they upped national insurance, so she ended up with nothing! I've told her not to do overtime, it's not worth it, she recently did 5 hours on a Saturday, ended up with an extra £25 in her wages, not worth getting out of bed for.

I  often wonder what would happen if our local councils, who collect the council tax, simply refused to hand it over to central government, after all, the pillocks in London do sod all for me up here so why should they expect any money off me!

 

[binky]

when its stated the wrong country invaded,,,,,,,,,

might be an idea to get out of the eu then if so much money is being drained out of the UK,    :innocent

Ok so what country did Elizabeth the 1st, Oliver Cromwell and William of Orange belong to then. (the last 1 being Dutch originally of course). They all sent armies to 'subjugate' the Irish.

UK tax laws are nothing to do with EU, it's a hangover from our colonial empire days. Personally I think they should give any company who has HQ paying tax in UK big tax breaks on R&D spending, so effectively you could spend on UK based R&D instead of paying tax - might make us Great Britain again.

 

[apprentice87]

The council tax is not a tax, it is a charge and is not handed over to local government, but spent locally by the local council..

The less central government give them, the higher the "council tax" will be..

Now the tories have decided that by 2020 they will not give local government anything. Just wait till you see your council tax bill then...

john..

 

[steptoe]

Ok so what country did Elizabeth the 1st, Oliver Cromwell and William of Orange belong to then. (the last 1 being Dutch originally of course). They all sent armies to 'subjugate' the Irish.

UK tax laws are nothing to do with EU, it's a hangover from our colonial empire days. Personally I think they should give any company who has HQ paying tax in UK big tax breaks on R&D spending, so effectively you could spend on UK based R&D instead of paying tax - might make us Great Britain again.

That post is flawed in so many ways I'm not even going to start arguing with it,

Ireland just happened to he where some of the major battles if a nuxh larger campaign were fought, a campaign, BTW, that was fought to stop the English throne being overthrown .

 

[phil d]

That post is flawed in so many ways I'm not even going to start arguing with it,

Ireland just happened to he where some of the major battles if a nuxh larger campaign were fought, a campaign, BTW, that was fought to stop the English throne being overthrown .

Would that of made it an underthrone then? Sorry mate, couldn't resist that one.

 

[binky]

Ok so they were just a peace keeping force...... :slap . Reminds of the Roman invasion of Britain, they were just helping a friendly tribe....

 

[apprentice87]

Ok,

So i think all this irish stuff has been going on since the normans. To be honest it is extremely complicated, and only people that live there, and have been through it all, like Steps and Poni, wil truly understand what has gone on, and is still going on.

So far as i know although it seems ok there, it is all only just bubbling below the surface now, and there is still a lot of trouble there, just it does not make the papers now..

I do not think it is right for any of us not involved to comment further really...

john..

 

[rapparee]

I do not think it is right for any of us not involved to comment further really...

 

[steptoe]

I'd say probably 90%+ of what has happened in recent years is simply thuggery, and nothing to do with politics or religion, 

That's only my perspective on it though, 

And in reality, (well people I know anyway) 99.9% of the population get on just fine together.

Remember, it only takes 2 people to start a fight.

 

[rapparee]

I'd say probably 90%+ of what has happened in recent years is simply thuggery, and nothing to do with politics or religion, 

That's only my perspective on it though, 

And in reality, (well people I know anyway) 99.9% of the population get on just fine together.

Remember, it only takes 2 people to start a fight.

I'd have to disagree.

Unless you when you refer to thuggery, you are referring to civil rights being denied to the Catholic community. Even Ian Paisley  and his wife recognised that there was an injustice done to the Catholic community and if they had of been treated right the whole troubles would have been avoided.

 

[steptoe]

I'd have to disagree.

Unless you when you refer to thuggery, you are referring to civil rights being denied to the Catholic community. Even Ian Paisley  and his wife recognised that there was an injustice done to the Catholic community and if they had of been treated right the whole troubles would have been avoided.

That was wrong , yes.

But what have to so called paramilitaries been doing for the past ten years ,?

Apart from issuing punishment beatings because someone sold drugs on their patch and didn't cut them in, protection money has been going on for as long as I can remember, 

 

[poni]

Even Ian Paisley  and his wife recognised that there was an injustice done to the Catholic community

I have heard of him taking great pleasure in helping any Catholic that asked him for help around the Kilkeel area, I think that was in his constituency at the time.

here I have a  question,

if your born in Scotland, your a Scot

if your born in Wales, your Welsh

if your born in England, your English

if your born in Ireland, are you not Irish?

 

[rapparee]

That was wrong , yes.

But what have to so called paramilitaries been doing for the past ten years ,?

Apart from issuing punishment beatings because someone sold drugs on their patch and didn't cut them in, protection money has been going on for as long as I can remember, 

But it wasn't going on until formation of the troubles. The IRA were all but moribund, they had issued a call to dump arms in the late 50s after the aborted border campaign. They were a spent force and finished. The height of their actions amounted to a few renegades blowing up Nelson's pillar in Dublin. The northern nationalists weren't looking for a united Ireland 1964 they were looking for the right to vote, the right to housing and the right to a job, not exactly a big ask. However the loyalists didn't like this. The modern day UVF was formed in 1966 and announced its arrival by petrol bombing a Catholic girls primary school. They down burnt down a Catholic owned pub on the Shankill killing a protestant grandmother in the process. The attacks continued and with little help coming from the RUC or the B-Specials the dormant IRA leaders were embarrassed back into action to defend the nationalist community. When the British army were brought over to try and keep the peace they were welcomed by nationalists with cups of tea and friendly waves it was hoped they would be an impartial force that would keep the peace, alas the army were used to put down the civil rights protests, sometimes more viciously than was needed, the IRA were able to portray the British army as a hostile occupying force to uphold unionists hegemony, the Provo's formed in 1969 and the genie was out of the bottle. 

Loyalist paramilitaries are indeed up to their necks in drug dealing and prostitution. The dissidents actually don't, they stick to smuggling diesel and cigarettes and extorting building contractors. Drugs are viewed as dirty in the eyes of Republicans. There was one Republican drug dealing organisation, the IPLO, they were put down in a night of the long knives. Ex members of the INLA (IPLO's parent organisation) have also worked as enforcers for Dublin crime gangs. But when they do they become ostracized. If a former IRA man gets involved in drugs he will be executed as was the case of Kieran Doherty in Derry in 2009.

 

[poni]

The attacks continued and with little help coming from the RUC or the B-Specials

you forgot two more loyalist paramilitary group's of the early 70's the U.D.A. And the U.D.R. Although the UDR was a legal organisation and was placed under military control, they were aligned with the RUC, 

the Loyalist's were told that they were so much better off then the Taig's , but I think the truth was that there was little or no difference

I remember going out on the streets shouting "One Man One vote" ,before the 70's,in NI you got a vote for each property you owned, as the Prods owned most of the property they got most of the vote's, then there was the gerrymandering ( a practice intended to establish a political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating district boundaries). it took a fewer Prod's to vote in their MP than Taig's 

yes we did see the British army as a force for good, but they were not as impartial as we thought, they were there to give the police support , I don't think that the (Old)IRA had ever gone away, then like now they are in the background, they did split into two groups the Provo's (Provisional IRA) and the Stickies (Official IRA) in late1969

Official IRA later became "Workers' Party of Ireland"

 

[steptoe]

But it wasn't going on until formation of the troubles. The IRA were all but moribund, they had issued a call to dump arms in the late 50s after the aborted border campaign. They were a spent force and finished. The height of their actions amounted to a few renegades blowing up Nelson's pillar in Dublin. The northern nationalists weren't looking for a united Ireland 1964 they were looking for the right to vote, the right to housing and the right to a job, not exactly a big ask. However the loyalists didn't like this. The modern day UVF was formed in 1966 and announced its arrival by petrol bombing a Catholic girls primary school. They down burnt down a Catholic owned pub on the Shankill killing a protestant grandmother in the process. The attacks continued and with little help coming from the RUC or the B-Specials the dormant IRA leaders were embarrassed back into action to defend the nationalist community. When the British army were brought over to try and keep the peace they were welcomed by nationalists with cups of tea and friendly waves it was hoped they would be an impartial force that would keep the peace, alas the army were used to put down the civil rights protests, sometimes more viciously than was needed, the IRA were able to portray the British army as a hostile occupying force to uphold unionists hegemony, the Provo's formed in 1969 and the genie was out of the bottle. 

Loyalist paramilitaries are indeed up to their necks in drug dealing and prostitution. The dissidents actually don't, they stick to smuggling diesel and cigarettes and extorting building contractors. Drugs are viewed as dirty in the eyes of Republicans. There was one Republican drug dealing organisation, the IPLO, they were put down in a night of the long knives. Ex members of the INLA (IPLO's parent organisation) have also worked as enforcers for Dublin crime gangs. But when they do they become ostracized. If a former IRA man gets involved in drugs he will be executed as was the case of Kieran Doherty in Derry in 2009.

you forgot two more loyalist paramilitary group's of the early 70's the U.D.A. And the U.D.R. Although the UDR was a legal organisation and was placed under military control, they were aligned with the RUC, 

the Loyalist's were told that they were so much better off then the Taig's , but I think the truth was that there was little or no difference

I remember going out on the streets shouting "One Man One vote" ,before the 70's,in NI you got a vote for each property you owned, as the Prods owned most of the property they got most of the vote's, then there was the gerrymandering ( a practice intended to establish a political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating district boundaries). it took a fewer Prod's to vote in their MP than Taig's 

yes we did see the British army as a force for good, but they were not as impartial as we thought, they were there to give the police support , I don't think that the (Old)IRA had ever gone away, then like now they are in the background, they did split into two groups the Provo's (Provisional IRA) and the Stickies (Official IRA) in late1969

Official IRA later became "Workers' Party of Ireland"

Quite a lot of both posts I agree with, quite a lot I don't,

I'm busy just now (the TT is on) , but I will reply as soon as I get to the PC/laptop

 

[poni]

Quite a lot of both posts I agree with, quite a lot I don't

its all fact what is there not to agree with?

I have not yet got to interment or to give it's real name "imprisonment without trial" yet,

I'm busy just now (the TT is on) , but I will reply as soon as I get to the PC/laptop

its just practice day is it not? Dunlop's doing well

 

[apprentice87]

its all fact what is there not to agree with?

I have not yet got to interment or to give it's real name "imprisonment without trial" yet

Flags and emblems act???

john..

 

[rapparee]

Quite a lot of both posts I agree with, quite a lot I don't,

I'm busy just now (the TT is on) , but I will reply as soon as I get to the PC/laptop

Lol

You're a walking cliche.

 

[poni]

Dry your eyes ,not laughed so much in a long time, I miss all the old saying, only slagging for one, and cuttie